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Could it be
something like...

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Like... ♪ Had to get high
to write my songs ♪

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♪ 'Cause if it wasn't
real life ♪

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♪ It just felt wrong ♪

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- Or something.
- Alright, well...

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♪ ...just sounded wrong ♪

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♪ I... ♪

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Don't wanna ruin what
we had 'cause it was good.

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Do we tell the story that...

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that the chorus
is summing up...

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- Right.
- ...in a more storytelling way?

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Like, start-- starting with...

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You can start with
"In '81," like...

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What were you doing in 1981?

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Well, don't know.
I was ODing in '84.

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Okay.

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So, I nearly died in '84, actually.

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I went back to England.

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'Cause you'd moved already?

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I'd come to America
in March of '81 and...

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- Mm-hmm.
- ...this was me returning

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in triumph with...

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Mm-hmm. Gotcha.

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..."Eyes Without a Face"
on Top of the Pops,

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and then you're nearly
killing yourself.

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Wait, so was it
in the news and stuff that--

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- No, no. Nobody knew.
-  Oh, wow.

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That's insane.

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So that's what
was happening in...

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- in the '80s kind of thing.
- That's wild.

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You're like... ♪ In '84 ♪

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♪ I OD'd
on the kitchen floor ♪

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♪ And I woke up
and I did some more ♪

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♪ I heard death
knocking at my door ♪

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♪ At the door... at the... ♪

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Too much too soon.

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I moved to New York myself
in October of '80.

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I started working
for Chrysalis Records.

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And so I remember
going to pick Billy up

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at the airport at JFK

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when he arrived into New York.

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And pretty much,
at that point,

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he was my responsibility
within the label.

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And he was a pretty quiet guy.

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He was pretty studious.

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He could sit in a corner
and read a book

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and you wouldn't notice him.

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I thought, "I don't know how
much fun this is gonna be."

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But once he kind of got
into that mode of Billy Idol,

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he became a completely
different persona.

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All right. Very good.
Now, let me run

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a-a little, uh, survey here.

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If you see an act,

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and very often you'll read
in the newspaper a critique.

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Obviously, you're excited about
the fact that this guy is here.

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Just tell me, if you were
a newspaper critic

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or a music critic,

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what there is about
the guy's music you like.

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It's fast and it's great
to dance to.

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All right, that would be
a quote they would take

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and they would put in the ad.
Give me a one-liner.

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Gorgeous.

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Get ready. It's Billy Idol.

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What am I here for?

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- You've got two awards to--
- I'm here for rock and roll.

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- Hey!
- That's what I'm here for.

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A maker of great videos,
a maker of great records,

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and a breaker
of little girls' hearts

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all over the world,

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Billy "Bleeping" Idol!

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♪ Hey, little sister,
what have you done? ♪

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The first time I ever saw
Billy Idol

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was when he was on MTV

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and he was already
a huge rock star.

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♪ It's a nice day
to start again ♪

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I want my MTV.

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♪ It's a nice day
for a white wedding... ♪

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Yeah!

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He's wearing leather

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and pumping his fist
in the air,

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and he's got this snarl.

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Just very striking.

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♪ On the floors of Tokyo,
or down in... ♪

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That is one of the hottest
videos on MTV.

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♪ ...and a mirror's reflection
I'm dancing with myself ♪

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♪ When there's no one
else in sight... ♪

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With this haircut, man,
you get seen everywhere.

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Everybody going,
"Hey, you're Billy Idol!

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'White Wedding,' MTV."

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He's one
of the hottest names

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in rock and roll, performing
before sellout crowds

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all over the country.

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He's been called

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the Frankenstein
of Rock and Roll,

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The Pretty Boy of Punk.

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♪ In the midnight hour ♪

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♪ She cried,
"More, more, more" ♪

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Look, man, I got more
young chicks after me

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than half of those
other geezers, so...

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ha, I just wanna get screwed
to death, you know?

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♪ In the midnight hour, babe,
she cried "More, more, more" ♪

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Whoa!

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I, like, watch Billy Idol
footage like it's porn.

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Talking about Elvis Presley,

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do you ever consider that
you've modeled yourself on him

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- in any way?
-  No way, man.

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I don't take as many drugs
as he did.

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There's no one hotter

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or that radiates
more sexuality

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than Billy fucking Idol.

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He had women,
he had drugs,

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and I was like,
"Yeah, dude, I'm in."

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Too much is never enough.

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You know, like, this is like
a fucking rock god.

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♪ I'd give you all
and have none, babe ♪

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♪ Just to, just to,
just to, just to ♪

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♪ To have you here by me,
because ♪

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♪ In the midnight hour... ♪

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When "Rebel Yell" came out

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around late '83,

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that's around the time

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where I started to see
big changes in him.

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To be the persona
of Billy Idol,

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he needed the booze,
he needed the drugs

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to deal with the pressure
of it.

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He wasn't Billy Idol
unless he was coked up.

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The alcohol and the drugs
fueled that persona.

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A big part of life is luck.

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You know,
it is a big part.

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William Broad turning
into Billy Idol was huge

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and, um...

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you were gonna make it stick.

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Didn't know if it could hold,
if people would get it,

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but you were gonna
make it stick.

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But, you know, that was
the fun of punk rock.

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And that was almost
what it was asking you to do.

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It was asking you to go out
on a fucking limb

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and hope, hope to hell
it's not sawn off behind you,

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'cause it's probably gonna be.

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But by the time it is,
you'll probably be dead.

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I remember getting a call

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at like four in the morning
from his dad.

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And obviously, I was sleeping,
and he said,

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"Where's my son?"

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"He's in New York City,
Mr. Broad."

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And he said, "Where's my son?"

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And I said, uh, "I am--
I'm gonna assume

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he's at his apartment."

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"Where's my son?"

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My dad was William Broad.

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Dad could be reserved.

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You know, he was quite
a reserved Englishman.

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He was very English, really.

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But he was
an incredible salesman.

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When he sold,

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his whole personality
came alive.

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I'm sort of like my dad.

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'Cause, really, what am I
but a glorified salesman?

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I mean, really.

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But the only difference is,

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I make my own product.

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When I was
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we moved to Bromley,

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which is about an hour away
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It was right when

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the music scene
exploded in England.

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My dad didn't really
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because I wasn't trying
at school.

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Physics, chemistry,
mathematics,

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I-I just couldn't do it.
I mean, I didn't wanna do it.

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Well, there was...

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a year or two when my dad
wouldn't speak to Billy.

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Billy was going through
this sort of phase

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that my dad didn't understand.

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- Yeah.
- My dad always wore

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a suit and a tie.

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Played golf.
He was a businessman.

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He didn't understand
Billy's world of music.

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He had John Lennon specs

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and long hair in those days.

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He looked terrible.

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He wasn't gonna hit him

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and he had given up shouting.

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His only way to protest

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- was to stop speaking to him.
-  Was silence.

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Dad would talk to Jane and me,

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but ignore you
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We didn't make
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- in those two years.
- Wow...

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At first, I was upset,

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but then of course
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you're like a hop, skip,
and a jump from the capital.

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You know, you're right there.

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You can see everything.

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I saw, you know,
millions of groups.

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That's just what we did.
You know, we loved music

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and it was kind of...

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It was what was giving us
a sense of freedom.

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He had some friends,
they were--

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they were all interested
in music.

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I kind of ran into, um,
Steve Bailey.

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He was Steve Severin
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And Steve eventually met
Susie Ballion,

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who became Siouxsie Sioux.

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They used to come here

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and be upstairs
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And a dozen of them

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with drums and everything.

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So you can imagine
the vibrations in the house.

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Used to rock.
It really did shake.

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For many Britons,
these are hard times.

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Those without work now account

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for six percent
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The start of the '70s,
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were turning the country
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There was fighting
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There was, like,
strikes galore.

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Forecasts of economic growth

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have been revised sharply
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By the time we were teenagers,

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they were telling you
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Didn't matter what
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there were no jobs.

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I think that young people
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of their tether, really.

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When I was at university,
I got a postcard from Steve,

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Steve Bailey, Steve Severin,

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saying, "Get back up here.

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We've seen the group
we've been waiting for,"

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and he was talking about
the Sex Pistols.

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♪ God save the Queen ♪

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♪ The fascist regime ♪

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In the very beginning,
there was a small little group

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called the Bromley Contingent,
and he was part of that.

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They got hip to the punk deal

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at the early stages,

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and Billy was always there.

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I remember him
when he had black hair.

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His haircut
was a bit like Spock's.

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I had the worst fucking hair,
by the way.

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It was too thick.
I couldn't do shit with it.

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I looked like a hairdresser.

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So, spring of '76,

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I came to the 100 Club.

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The Sex Pistols were doing a...

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a residency, you know,

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and it was like, "This is what
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where somebody challenged
what was going on,

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the sort of like
boredom of everything.

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But then people were coming
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see what was going on,

254
00:13:07,334 --> 00:13:08,833
and they're shocked,
I remember,

255
00:13:08,834 --> 00:13:11,000
'cause the people's
expression were like...

256
00:13:11,918 --> 00:13:13,166
"What is this?"

257
00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:14,625
It was incredible,
and you're going,

258
00:13:14,626 --> 00:13:16,876
"Now, these guys
aren't so different from us."

259
00:13:17,292 --> 00:13:19,249
That was really
where you went, "Wow."

260
00:13:24,459 --> 00:13:26,082
In a way, the Pistols
were telling you,

261
00:13:26,083 --> 00:13:28,999
"All you gotta do
is get up there and do it."

262
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,542
♪ Submission... ♪

263
00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:32,750
It seemed like
everyone used to come

264
00:13:32,751 --> 00:13:35,041
and see us play.
The fans, if you like.

265
00:13:35,042 --> 00:13:37,583
A few weeks later,
they'd all started bands.

266
00:13:37,584 --> 00:13:39,333
We're looking around,
we're still playing away,

267
00:13:39,334 --> 00:13:41,666
and there's, "Oh, that guy
used to come to our gig."

268
00:13:41,667 --> 00:13:42,917
"Oh, so did he. They're in--

269
00:13:42,918 --> 00:13:44,751
Oh, he's in
The Buzzcocks now."

270
00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,667
"Oh, he's in The Clash."

271
00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:49,917
It's like all these bands
just came out of nowhere.

272
00:13:52,334 --> 00:13:54,416
After the first year
of university,

273
00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:56,834
I told my mom and dad,
"I'm not going back."

274
00:13:57,209 --> 00:13:59,208
Well, that was a sad day.

275
00:14:00,626 --> 00:14:02,541
"I'm gonna join
a punk rock group."

276
00:14:02,542 --> 00:14:04,791
So they were horrified,
really horrified,

277
00:14:04,792 --> 00:14:06,333
that I was leaving university,

278
00:14:06,334 --> 00:14:07,625
but at the same time,

279
00:14:07,626 --> 00:14:09,500
they didn't prevent me
doing what I was doing.

280
00:14:09,501 --> 00:14:10,917
Didn't try and stop me
or anything.

281
00:14:10,918 --> 00:14:14,791
I encouraged him with it,
I think.

282
00:14:15,959 --> 00:14:18,167
But Bill wasn't happy
about it.

283
00:14:20,501 --> 00:14:22,041
They were frightened
to death of me

284
00:14:22,042 --> 00:14:23,625
being in a punk rock group.

285
00:14:23,626 --> 00:14:25,083
I know they were.

286
00:14:25,501 --> 00:14:27,666
We were not thinking
long-term.

287
00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:31,250
There was probably 200 people
really into it.

288
00:14:31,709 --> 00:14:34,000
The scene was so small

289
00:14:34,334 --> 00:14:36,249
and you kind of had
to advertise.

290
00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:38,542
So I put an advert
in Melody Maker.

291
00:14:38,918 --> 00:14:40,999
I saw this advert in the paper
and I thought,

292
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,750
"Oh, that sounds
really interesting."

293
00:14:42,751 --> 00:14:45,708
So Billy and I got together
a couple of times,

294
00:14:45,709 --> 00:14:47,875
but then this other band,
Chelsea, comes along,

295
00:14:47,876 --> 00:14:50,292
and we'd both gone
to audition.

296
00:14:53,083 --> 00:14:56,541
When Billy arrived,
I thought, "That's the look."

297
00:14:56,542 --> 00:14:58,625
We looked at him
and it was like,

298
00:14:58,626 --> 00:15:00,959
"Yeah!"

299
00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:03,208
You know,
I was a bit nervous.

300
00:15:03,209 --> 00:15:06,166
They were really nice and
helped me tune my guitar up.

301
00:15:07,375 --> 00:15:08,917
Gene October said,

302
00:15:08,918 --> 00:15:10,999
"He may not be able
to tune up,

303
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,374
but he's got
the right attitude.

304
00:15:12,375 --> 00:15:13,583
He's got the right look.

305
00:15:13,584 --> 00:15:16,167
He knows the scene. He's in."

306
00:15:22,584 --> 00:15:25,249
And so, Billy and I became
the guitarist

307
00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:26,917
and bass player of Chelsea

308
00:15:26,918 --> 00:15:29,584
with Gene October
as the singer.

309
00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:39,249
No.

310
00:15:42,584 --> 00:15:43,501
No.

311
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,124
Okay.

312
00:15:49,584 --> 00:15:52,876
Billy and I, we were
both clearly middle class.

313
00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:56,249
This worked against us
because punk rock was seen

314
00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:58,917
as a very working-class
movement,

315
00:15:58,918 --> 00:16:01,124
and it was always difficult
for Billy and I

316
00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:03,918
because we couldn't pretend
to be something different.

317
00:16:05,501 --> 00:16:07,667
But that bonded us together.

318
00:16:08,709 --> 00:16:10,666
Instantly, Billy and I felt

319
00:16:10,667 --> 00:16:12,791
compelled to write songs
together.

320
00:16:12,792 --> 00:16:15,500
♪ Ready, steady, go ♪

321
00:16:15,501 --> 00:16:17,082
♪ Ready, steady, go... ♪

322
00:16:17,083 --> 00:16:19,500
As children, I'd watch
Ready Steady Go!,

323
00:16:19,501 --> 00:16:21,666
this show
that was on a Friday night,

324
00:16:21,667 --> 00:16:23,959
and it always began
with the catchphrase...

325
00:16:24,876 --> 00:16:26,833
"The weekend starts here.

326
00:16:26,834 --> 00:16:28,166
Ready, steady, go!"

327
00:16:28,167 --> 00:16:30,249
♪ Go! ♪

328
00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:31,999
I mean,
we're talking me and Billy

329
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,584
first meeting through
the advert in August 1976.

330
00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:39,459
By October, we're playing gigs
with Chelsea.

331
00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:44,041
And we've already written
half a dozen songs ourselves.

332
00:16:44,042 --> 00:16:46,417
From that moment,
we suddenly went...

333
00:16:46,792 --> 00:16:48,166
...you know,

334
00:16:48,167 --> 00:16:50,041
"We should do our own group."

335
00:16:50,042 --> 00:16:52,625
So we decided to leave
Chelsea.

336
00:16:52,626 --> 00:16:55,791
And within a couple of weeks,

337
00:16:55,792 --> 00:16:58,667
we'd already settled
on calling ourself...

338
00:16:59,876 --> 00:17:01,250
"Generation X."

339
00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:02,791
Generation X,

340
00:17:02,792 --> 00:17:04,208
where did you get
the name from?

341
00:17:04,209 --> 00:17:06,500
It came from a sort of a...
a book in the '60s.

342
00:17:06,501 --> 00:17:08,458
It's about what young people
thought then.

343
00:17:08,459 --> 00:17:09,999
- Right?
-  Right.

344
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,708
And we felt it meant exactly
the same for us today.

345
00:17:12,709 --> 00:17:15,666
You know, the futility
and things, things around us.

346
00:17:20,501 --> 00:17:22,708
In 1977,

347
00:17:22,709 --> 00:17:25,875
I'd found Derwood
playing guitar in a cover band.

348
00:17:25,876 --> 00:17:28,249
He was doing Jimi Hendrix,
Deep Purple,

349
00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:29,542
Black Sabbath numbers.

350
00:17:29,918 --> 00:17:31,125
And we both went...

351
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,208
"He's our guy."

352
00:17:36,209 --> 00:17:39,000
All of a sudden,
shaved me head off,

353
00:17:39,584 --> 00:17:41,876
put some clothes
that Billy gave me...

354
00:17:43,375 --> 00:17:45,209
and I was in a punk band.

355
00:17:45,709 --> 00:17:47,750
The group
was really explosive.

356
00:17:47,751 --> 00:17:50,083
Everybody just meshed together
perfectly.

357
00:17:50,417 --> 00:17:53,625
Billy was fantastic
as a singer.

358
00:17:53,626 --> 00:17:55,666
And Mark Laff
was the drummer.

359
00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:57,541
♪ Might take
a bit of violence... ♪

360
00:17:57,542 --> 00:18:00,542
Billy and Tony were a little
bit up there, you know,

361
00:18:00,918 --> 00:18:03,917
not only in age
but in social standing.

362
00:18:03,918 --> 00:18:07,542
So me and Mark really bonded,
and what that did

363
00:18:08,042 --> 00:18:11,291
is kind of split the band
into two camps,

364
00:18:11,292 --> 00:18:12,417
the leaders

365
00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:14,000
and the followers.

366
00:18:14,918 --> 00:18:16,667
♪ Your generation ♪

367
00:18:18,417 --> 00:18:21,375
There's Covent Garden,
Neal Street.

368
00:18:22,083 --> 00:18:24,458
The Sex Pistols, uh,
there'd been a bit of violence

369
00:18:24,459 --> 00:18:26,999
at the Nashville
and the Marquee,

370
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,249
so there was kind of like
an unofficial ban,

371
00:18:29,250 --> 00:18:32,750
and they-they weren't letting
us play in Inner London.

372
00:18:32,751 --> 00:18:35,208
So we decided,
"Let's start a club,"

373
00:18:35,209 --> 00:18:37,082
so there was somewhere for us
to play,

374
00:18:37,083 --> 00:18:38,583
and also
we could rehearse there.

375
00:18:38,584 --> 00:18:41,124
So we began The Roxy.

376
00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:43,082
The Roxy was brilliant because

377
00:18:43,083 --> 00:18:45,375
it kind of felt like
we owned it.

378
00:18:45,751 --> 00:18:47,249
We built the stage.

379
00:18:47,250 --> 00:18:49,625
All of us had chipped in
and built the stage.

380
00:18:49,626 --> 00:18:51,500
We put up the black drapes

381
00:18:51,501 --> 00:18:54,292
and made these simple flyers.

382
00:18:54,792 --> 00:18:56,999
But then at one
of the rehearsals,

383
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,667
Billy turned up and he went,

384
00:18:59,167 --> 00:19:01,291
"I'm thinking of calling myself
'Billy Idol.'"

385
00:19:04,667 --> 00:19:06,333
A teacher at school
had written

386
00:19:06,334 --> 00:19:08,291
on my third form report,
I was about 13,

387
00:19:08,292 --> 00:19:10,958
had written in big letters,
"William is...

388
00:19:10,959 --> 00:19:12,791
I-D-L-E," you know?

389
00:19:12,792 --> 00:19:15,166
And I knew my dad
is gonna fucking kill me.

390
00:19:15,167 --> 00:19:16,999
How am I gonna show
my dad that?

391
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,124
So I started to think about it

392
00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:21,042
and I went,
"Could it be Billy Id...

393
00:19:21,542 --> 00:19:22,584
Idol?"

394
00:19:22,918 --> 00:19:24,917
But it was just a fun thing.

395
00:19:24,918 --> 00:19:27,501
There was already Iggy Pop,
you know? So, uh...

396
00:19:27,876 --> 00:19:30,500
why not be Billy Idol
sort of thing, you know?

397
00:19:30,501 --> 00:19:31,667
You're your own hero.

398
00:19:35,876 --> 00:19:37,583
It was kind of fun, you know?
It was fun.

399
00:19:37,584 --> 00:19:39,041
We were having fun playing

400
00:19:39,042 --> 00:19:42,333
with this new world
we were creating, really.

401
00:19:42,334 --> 00:19:43,583
All the punk rockers

402
00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:45,083
were kind of having fun
with it.

403
00:19:47,792 --> 00:19:49,875
They are punk rockers.

404
00:19:49,876 --> 00:19:51,374
The new craze, they told me.

405
00:19:51,375 --> 00:19:53,458
Their heroes?

406
00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:56,209
Not the nice, clean
Rolling Stones.

407
00:19:56,751 --> 00:19:58,666
You see, they are as drunk
as I am.

408
00:19:58,667 --> 00:19:59,875
They're clean by comparison.

409
00:19:59,876 --> 00:20:02,000
They're a group called
the Sex Pistols.

410
00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,333
The Sex Pistols...

411
00:20:04,334 --> 00:20:07,500
They'd actually got signed
a record deal with EMI

412
00:20:07,501 --> 00:20:08,791
and put out
"Anarchy in the UK."

413
00:20:08,792 --> 00:20:11,750
And because of that,
they went on this TV show,

414
00:20:11,751 --> 00:20:13,583
and the presenter,
Bill Grundy,

415
00:20:13,584 --> 00:20:16,459
he was a bit drunk,
and so he was deliberately

416
00:20:16,834 --> 00:20:18,208
winding them up, you know?

417
00:20:18,209 --> 00:20:20,249
And, um, under his breath,

418
00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:22,959
Johnny-- John Lydon,
John Rotten, said "shit."

419
00:20:26,209 --> 00:20:27,208
It's what?

420
00:20:27,209 --> 00:20:28,751
Nothing. A rude word.

421
00:20:29,083 --> 00:20:30,124
Next question.

422
00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:32,542
No, no.
What was the rude word?

423
00:20:32,876 --> 00:20:34,708
- Shit.
-  Was it really?

424
00:20:34,709 --> 00:20:36,333
- Good heavens.
-  Bill Grundy then

425
00:20:36,334 --> 00:20:37,708
started to talk
to Siouxsie Sioux,

426
00:20:37,709 --> 00:20:39,249
who was one
of the Bromley Contingent

427
00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:40,875
who was standing
behind the Pistols,

428
00:20:40,876 --> 00:20:43,958
and started to say
sort of sexual things to her.

429
00:20:45,334 --> 00:20:47,041
He's like your dad, isn't he?

430
00:20:49,083 --> 00:20:50,125
Enjoying myself.

431
00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:55,125
Yeah.

432
00:20:58,542 --> 00:21:00,459
You dirty bastard.

433
00:21:00,792 --> 00:21:01,666
Go on, then. Go.

434
00:21:01,667 --> 00:21:02,958
You dirty fucker.

435
00:21:02,959 --> 00:21:04,291
What a clever boy.

436
00:21:04,292 --> 00:21:05,583
What a fucking rotter.

437
00:21:05,584 --> 00:21:07,042
Well, that's it for tonight.

438
00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:09,249
The other rocker...

439
00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:12,249
The next day, all of this
was on the front page

440
00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:13,958
of every newspaper in England.

441
00:21:13,959 --> 00:21:16,750
All the dailies
and the evening news had,

442
00:21:16,751 --> 00:21:17,917
"The Filth and the Fury!

443
00:21:17,918 --> 00:21:20,082
Sex Pistols
Swear on Television."

444
00:21:20,083 --> 00:21:21,834
Punk just went kaboom.

445
00:21:22,209 --> 00:21:24,458
♪ I'm walkin' in the street ♪

446
00:21:24,459 --> 00:21:27,249
♪ With the latest on my feet ♪

447
00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:31,416
♪ And the hair that makes
the people stop and stare ♪

448
00:21:31,417 --> 00:21:32,917
A whole new teenage cult

449
00:21:32,918 --> 00:21:34,791
that seems to be on their way
to being as big

450
00:21:34,792 --> 00:21:36,666
as Mods and Rockers were
in the '60s.

451
00:21:36,667 --> 00:21:38,666
♪ Wild, wild, wild youth ♪

452
00:21:38,667 --> 00:21:40,166
The cult is called "punk."

453
00:21:40,167 --> 00:21:41,999
The music, "punk rock."

454
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,041
Basic rock music.
Raw, outrageous, and crude.

455
00:21:46,042 --> 00:21:48,416
Go on! Tell 'em about punk.

456
00:21:48,417 --> 00:21:50,958
♪ My records are so loud ♪

457
00:21:50,959 --> 00:21:53,625
♪ I gotta hang out
with the crowd ♪

458
00:21:53,626 --> 00:21:55,791
Overnight,
every kid in England

459
00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:57,124
had a leather jacket

460
00:21:57,125 --> 00:21:58,959
and wanted to look
like the Pistols.

461
00:21:59,334 --> 00:22:01,500
And we were right there,
you know?

462
00:22:01,501 --> 00:22:02,626
We were right there.

463
00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:06,833
♪ Because it gets you
in the end... ♪

464
00:22:06,834 --> 00:22:08,833
We started The Roxy,
and then--

465
00:22:08,834 --> 00:22:11,208
where there was only room
for 250 people,

466
00:22:11,209 --> 00:22:12,917
we had a thousand people
in there

467
00:22:12,918 --> 00:22:14,334
the first night, you know?

468
00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:17,959
♪ Wild, wild, wild youth ♪

469
00:22:18,542 --> 00:22:20,625
♪ Wild, wild, wild youth... ♪

470
00:22:20,626 --> 00:22:22,999
At The Roxy, there was
definitely that sense

471
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,082
that people were coming
to learn how to be punks.

472
00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:28,625
-  Probably, yeah.
- Yeah.

473
00:22:28,626 --> 00:22:30,333
- 'Cause it was ground zero...
- Yeah.

474
00:22:30,334 --> 00:22:32,041
- ...for punk rock.
- Absolutely.

475
00:22:32,042 --> 00:22:33,541
♪ Wild youth ♪

476
00:22:33,542 --> 00:22:34,833
You were really brash

477
00:22:34,834 --> 00:22:37,458
and confident and charismatic.

478
00:22:37,459 --> 00:22:40,999
I remember thinking that you
were gonna be fucking huge.

479
00:22:42,709 --> 00:22:44,501
Whoo!
It's Billy Idol in the nude!

480
00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:48,833
Hey! Yeah.

481
00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:50,500
You can film me
when I have pants on.

482
00:22:52,626 --> 00:22:55,876
When I look back,
it seems extraordinary,

483
00:22:56,209 --> 00:22:57,917
but it's like one
of those moments

484
00:22:57,918 --> 00:23:00,042
when the planets align
and it's meant to be.

485
00:23:05,459 --> 00:23:08,416
♪ He came down
like a star tonight ♪

486
00:23:08,417 --> 00:23:11,042
♪ He's in love
with his lonely life... ♪

487
00:23:11,417 --> 00:23:13,583
We were on tour
quite a lot in England.

488
00:23:13,584 --> 00:23:17,500
You know, we'd do the gig and
the road crew would come back

489
00:23:17,501 --> 00:23:20,000
and we'd all just trash
the room.

490
00:23:20,375 --> 00:23:21,999
♪ Heaven's inside
somewhere... ♪

491
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,999
You know, spill stuff
and burn sheets.

492
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,083
Not on purpose, but... you know.

493
00:23:30,709 --> 00:23:33,041
♪ Heaven's inside
somewhere... ♪

494
00:23:33,042 --> 00:23:34,875
We had a club in Birmingham
called Barbarella's,

495
00:23:34,876 --> 00:23:38,292
which was the club
for-for punk.

496
00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:41,333
Gen X came up
and did a weekend,

497
00:23:41,334 --> 00:23:42,541
and I was right up against

498
00:23:42,542 --> 00:23:44,501
the front of the stage
when they came out.

499
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,625
It was like a gob fest,
you know?

500
00:23:47,626 --> 00:23:49,291
I mean, spitting at the bands

501
00:23:49,292 --> 00:23:52,625
was the way
that you showed appreciation,

502
00:23:52,626 --> 00:23:54,042
which was really bizarre.

503
00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,792
Sometimes,
when Generation X played,

504
00:24:02,459 --> 00:24:03,918
it was, uh, frightening.

505
00:24:04,834 --> 00:24:06,416
It was frightening.

506
00:24:06,417 --> 00:24:08,416
It was, for a young kid.

507
00:24:11,792 --> 00:24:14,166
What happened
at your gig last Sunday?

508
00:24:14,167 --> 00:24:15,875
Something strange
going on there, wasn't there?

509
00:24:15,876 --> 00:24:18,250
It was just a bit of, uh,
kind of aggravation.

510
00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:24,333
The violence aimed towards us
by skinheads and punks,

511
00:24:24,334 --> 00:24:26,958
you know, they all came
to our gigs

512
00:24:26,959 --> 00:24:29,167
with the mutual hatred for us

513
00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:34,959
because they looked at the
qualifications of all of us

514
00:24:35,501 --> 00:24:39,584
and came to the conclusion
these guys were posers.

515
00:24:41,626 --> 00:24:44,042
Billy stuck out
'cause he's beautiful.

516
00:24:44,459 --> 00:24:45,958
He was like a pretty boy

517
00:24:45,959 --> 00:24:48,542
and I don't think a lot
of people took him seriously.

518
00:24:50,667 --> 00:24:52,709
We did get
a bit of stick.

519
00:24:53,083 --> 00:24:54,667
People did take exception,

520
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,791
but you had to not care about
things like that too much

521
00:24:58,792 --> 00:25:01,333
because people were gonna find
something about you

522
00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:02,333
they didn't like

523
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:03,666
even if you were
working class.

524
00:25:03,667 --> 00:25:05,501
I still would've been
good-looking, so.

525
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,500
So there was loads of little
barriers you came across,

526
00:25:14,501 --> 00:25:15,625
but then
something would happen

527
00:25:15,626 --> 00:25:17,042
and they would fall away.

528
00:25:22,542 --> 00:25:23,833
Alright.

529
00:25:23,834 --> 00:25:25,876
Welcome to a new show
called Marc.

530
00:25:26,209 --> 00:25:30,333
Could be a lot of new sounds,
a lot of new experiences.

531
00:25:30,334 --> 00:25:33,209
We met Marc Bolan
at The Roxy.

532
00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:35,374
He was really
into the punk

533
00:25:35,375 --> 00:25:38,249
because he was
the first punk, really...

534
00:25:41,209 --> 00:25:43,459
...you know,
four or five years earlier.

535
00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:45,917
♪ Well, you're dirty
and sweet ♪

536
00:25:45,918 --> 00:25:47,708
♪ Clad in black,
don't look back ♪

537
00:25:47,709 --> 00:25:50,167
♪ And I love you... ♪

538
00:25:50,667 --> 00:25:53,041
I find the Pistols
very believable.

539
00:25:53,042 --> 00:25:56,374
I find The Ramones
are beautifully unbelievable.

540
00:25:56,375 --> 00:25:57,500
I mean that in the nicest way.

541
00:25:57,501 --> 00:26:00,374
I love The Jam.
Uh, The Damned,

542
00:26:00,375 --> 00:26:01,875
I love their songs.

543
00:26:01,876 --> 00:26:03,791
He invited Generation X

544
00:26:03,792 --> 00:26:05,416
onto the Marc Bolan show,

545
00:26:05,417 --> 00:26:07,917
which, you know,
in pop culture

546
00:26:07,918 --> 00:26:09,166
is a really famous show

547
00:26:09,167 --> 00:26:11,167
because Bowie
did the same show.

548
00:26:14,751 --> 00:26:18,876
So we drove there,
and our wonderful road crew,

549
00:26:19,542 --> 00:26:21,042
their van broke down

550
00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:24,374
with all our equipment.

551
00:26:27,334 --> 00:26:29,083
We got there,
but our gear didn't.

552
00:26:29,542 --> 00:26:31,374
So we were standing
next to Marc

553
00:26:31,375 --> 00:26:33,249
when the producer came out.

554
00:26:33,250 --> 00:26:35,708
She said, "That's it, Marc.
I mean, their gear's not here.

555
00:26:35,709 --> 00:26:37,292
They can't be on the show."

556
00:26:37,792 --> 00:26:39,708
And, you know,
from what I understand,

557
00:26:39,709 --> 00:26:42,834
Billy kind of got Marc
a little stirred up.

558
00:26:43,167 --> 00:26:45,626
You know,
Billy was a little too cute.

559
00:26:46,125 --> 00:26:48,875
Marc said, "Well,
if they're not doing it,

560
00:26:48,876 --> 00:26:50,416
I'm not doing it."

561
00:26:50,417 --> 00:26:52,917
And she went, "What?
What do you mean?"

562
00:26:52,918 --> 00:26:55,459
And he started to say,
"Look. Calm down.

563
00:26:55,876 --> 00:26:57,082
I can lend them my guitar.

564
00:26:57,083 --> 00:26:59,249
I'm sure one of
the other bands would lend them

565
00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:00,333
a bass guitar or something

566
00:27:00,334 --> 00:27:02,042
and we can hire a drum kit."

567
00:27:02,542 --> 00:27:05,209
And then we played
on his TV show.

568
00:27:05,626 --> 00:27:09,750
But after we'd done our thing,
they started filming

569
00:27:09,751 --> 00:27:11,666
Marc and David.

570
00:27:11,667 --> 00:27:12,625
Go!

571
00:27:17,375 --> 00:27:19,584
And I'm like, I was there.

572
00:27:19,959 --> 00:27:22,249
I'll never forget
that feeling of,

573
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:26,042
"Oh my God, there's Marc Bolan
and David Bowie."

574
00:27:26,626 --> 00:27:28,792
You know what I mean?
It was beautiful.

575
00:27:32,167 --> 00:27:33,875
We were waiting
a couple of weeks

576
00:27:33,876 --> 00:27:35,250
for the show to come out.

577
00:27:35,667 --> 00:27:37,125
Well, in the meantime...

578
00:27:38,751 --> 00:27:40,666
Marc has his car accident
where he dies.

579
00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:42,124
Six o'clock news.

580
00:27:42,125 --> 00:27:44,041
We've just heard
that controversial rock star

581
00:27:44,042 --> 00:27:46,416
Marc Bolan has been killed
in a car crash.

582
00:27:46,417 --> 00:27:49,666
His Mini, being driven by
girlfriend Gloria Jones,

583
00:27:49,667 --> 00:27:52,374
has careered off the road
into a tree in South London.

584
00:27:52,375 --> 00:27:55,166
Gloria's detained in hospital
with serious injuries...

585
00:27:55,167 --> 00:27:57,125
That was a terrible shock.

586
00:27:58,250 --> 00:28:00,417
He never drove a car
because he...

587
00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:02,833
because he didn't wanna die
in a car accident.

588
00:28:06,667 --> 00:28:08,792
A week or so after he died...

589
00:28:11,209 --> 00:28:13,833
15 million people
or something saw that show.

590
00:28:15,709 --> 00:28:17,999
This is a new group called,
uh, Generation X,

591
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,750
who have a lead singer
called Billy Idol,

592
00:28:20,751 --> 00:28:22,666
who's supposed to be as...

593
00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:23,917
...pretty as me.

594
00:28:23,918 --> 00:28:26,042
We'll see now. Generation X.

595
00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:27,875
One, two, three.

596
00:28:32,417 --> 00:28:36,125
♪ Well, I'm trying to forget
your generation ♪

597
00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:39,959
♪ Usin' any way I see ♪

598
00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:45,167
♪ Well, the end must justify
the means ♪

599
00:28:45,584 --> 00:28:49,375
♪ Your generation
don't mean a thing to me! ♪

600
00:28:50,709 --> 00:28:54,542
♪ Your generation
don't mean a thing to me! ♪

601
00:28:56,042 --> 00:29:04,750
♪ Your generation
don't mean a thing to me! ♪

602
00:29:11,042 --> 00:29:13,416
It was
the most extraordinary time.

603
00:29:13,417 --> 00:29:15,918
We knew something
was happening.

604
00:29:16,334 --> 00:29:18,625
There was a queue around
the block when we played.

605
00:29:33,959 --> 00:29:36,208
Once we're
on the covers of magazines,

606
00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:39,917
everything kind of changes
and suddenly it becomes real.

607
00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:47,458
My mum was so proud,
you know?

608
00:29:47,459 --> 00:29:49,249
She could tell
all her friends,

609
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:51,291
"My son's on Top of the Pops."

610
00:29:51,292 --> 00:29:53,708
♪ Ready, steady, go! ♪

611
00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:56,000
♪ All things she said... ♪

612
00:29:56,417 --> 00:29:58,500
This explosion
on television,

613
00:29:58,501 --> 00:30:02,166
that's the last thing
we were seriously expecting.

614
00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:04,833
We were doing this thing
that we thought

615
00:30:04,834 --> 00:30:07,124
was a completely
out-there thing,

616
00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:08,459
it'll never get big.

617
00:30:08,834 --> 00:30:12,000
We were not thinking,
"This is going to be huge."

618
00:30:12,334 --> 00:30:13,791
'Cause it was not
on the horizon.

619
00:30:15,834 --> 00:30:18,542
But after that,
I never had to turn back.

620
00:30:18,834 --> 00:30:21,375
It just went on from there,
you know.

621
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:40,751
-  Get ready! It's...
- Billy "Bleeping" Idol!

622
00:30:46,501 --> 00:30:49,500
There was a moment
there where...

623
00:30:49,501 --> 00:30:51,500
...you know, I'd done
what I set out to do.

624
00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:53,541
I was coming back to England.

625
00:30:53,542 --> 00:30:54,666
I'd done it, you know?

626
00:30:54,667 --> 00:30:55,958
So I was coming back
in triumph

627
00:30:55,959 --> 00:30:57,751
and, uh, I nearly ruined it.

628
00:30:59,709 --> 00:31:01,666
So we flew to London

629
00:31:01,667 --> 00:31:05,000
when we met a load
of our pals that we knew.

630
00:31:07,209 --> 00:31:09,334
They had some
of the strongest heroin.

631
00:31:11,667 --> 00:31:13,459
Persian Brown, I think it was.

632
00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:18,751
Everybody did a line or so.

633
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,917
And, uh, they all nodded out

634
00:31:21,918 --> 00:31:25,250
except for me
and this mate of mine,

635
00:31:25,709 --> 00:31:28,374
and we kind of went,
"Well, that's funny."

636
00:31:28,375 --> 00:31:31,209
So we did a few more lines,
really.

637
00:31:41,751 --> 00:31:43,082
I was basically dying.

638
00:31:45,918 --> 00:31:47,250
I was turning blue.

639
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:57,250
So, um, they put me in a bath,
in an ice-cold bath.

640
00:32:00,959 --> 00:32:02,791
And I remember them
walking me around

641
00:32:02,792 --> 00:32:05,751
on the top of the building,
you know, on the roof.

642
00:32:25,125 --> 00:32:27,416
You know,
when I'd met Billy,

643
00:32:27,417 --> 00:32:30,124
he didn't smoke,
didn't do drugs, didn't drink.

644
00:32:30,125 --> 00:32:32,791
So he was totally clean,
you know?

645
00:32:32,792 --> 00:32:35,125
Sure fucking changed that
quick, didn't he?

646
00:32:38,292 --> 00:32:42,375
I think he felt a pressure
from people to be Billy Idol.

647
00:32:45,334 --> 00:32:48,709
To somehow be credible.

648
00:32:51,459 --> 00:32:53,750
And maybe that-- I don't know

649
00:32:53,751 --> 00:32:55,666
what he would tell you
were his reasons

650
00:32:55,667 --> 00:32:57,125
for starting to take heroin,

651
00:32:58,459 --> 00:33:01,917
but the thing that
changed everything

652
00:33:01,918 --> 00:33:04,458
or that changed mine
and Billy's relationship

653
00:33:04,459 --> 00:33:07,416
was that we'd gone out
one night together

654
00:33:07,417 --> 00:33:09,791
and we'd met the girls
from Hot Gossip.

655
00:33:13,542 --> 00:33:16,792
I was in this punk rock
dance group called Hot Gossip.

656
00:33:17,292 --> 00:33:19,875
The choreography
was very aggressive,

657
00:33:19,876 --> 00:33:22,333
modern ballet, sexual, ooh.

658
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:24,083
We danced to the latest music.

659
00:33:25,459 --> 00:33:28,500
Perri initially had
been basically a bigger star

660
00:33:28,501 --> 00:33:29,626
than me in England.

661
00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:32,458
You know, yeah,
I was on Top of the Pops,

662
00:33:32,459 --> 00:33:34,834
but they were on
regular TV, you know?

663
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,958
We were performing
in a nightclub

664
00:33:39,959 --> 00:33:44,626
but in the corner was Billy
and his bass player, Tony.

665
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:46,833
We just walked towards
each other

666
00:33:46,834 --> 00:33:48,834
and we started chatting, and...

667
00:33:49,334 --> 00:33:52,124
"Oh my God,
this guy is perfect."

668
00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:54,583
He was such the life
and soul, and so was I.

669
00:33:54,584 --> 00:33:58,125
So together,
we were like a firecracker.

670
00:33:58,667 --> 00:34:00,666
I mean, we hardly ate,
we hardly slept,

671
00:34:00,667 --> 00:34:03,875
but we just...
we were always out having fun.

672
00:34:06,417 --> 00:34:08,459
Billy did start
going out with Perri.

673
00:34:09,209 --> 00:34:11,166
The biggest problem was that

674
00:34:11,167 --> 00:34:12,999
heroin was involved in that.

675
00:34:17,042 --> 00:34:19,249
You know, for me
it was something

676
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:20,334
I was really scared of.

677
00:34:22,334 --> 00:34:23,791
That's what was going on.

678
00:34:23,792 --> 00:34:26,082
The scene had embraced
hard drugs, really.

679
00:34:26,083 --> 00:34:27,834
A number of people
were on them, you know.

680
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,876
But, you know,
you're wide open for it.

681
00:34:39,292 --> 00:34:41,416
You know, a lot of the people
we loved

682
00:34:41,417 --> 00:34:42,626
were all heroin addicts.

683
00:34:43,042 --> 00:34:44,999
Lou Reed wrote the song
"Heroin."

684
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,416
You know, The New York Dolls

685
00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:48,125
were all heroin addicts, practically.

686
00:34:48,417 --> 00:34:50,458
So you weren't thinking
how dangerous it was.

687
00:34:50,459 --> 00:34:52,876
In fact, you're thinking
quite the opposite.

688
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:55,625
"Maybe this could unleash
something," you know.

689
00:35:04,584 --> 00:35:06,792
We were touring Japan.

690
00:35:07,209 --> 00:35:09,291
You know, we're playing
really big places,

691
00:35:09,292 --> 00:35:10,959
people are going nuts.

692
00:35:12,459 --> 00:35:14,541
And, um, one night
after the gig,

693
00:35:14,542 --> 00:35:16,583
Billy and I went to a club

694
00:35:16,584 --> 00:35:18,291
and we were standing
having a drink,

695
00:35:18,292 --> 00:35:22,124
and we were watching this kid
dancing with his reflection

696
00:35:22,125 --> 00:35:24,125
in the mirrored walls
in this club.

697
00:35:24,501 --> 00:35:26,333
And Billy went,
"Wow, look at that kid. Look.

698
00:35:26,334 --> 00:35:28,375
He's, like, dancing
with his reflection."

699
00:35:28,751 --> 00:35:32,500
Right? And I went, "Yeah.
Dancing with myself."

700
00:35:32,501 --> 00:35:35,167
I went, "Billy, that's gonna
be a great name for a song."

701
00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:42,416
When we were recording
back home,

702
00:35:42,417 --> 00:35:44,625
Billy came in one morning
and he went,

703
00:35:44,626 --> 00:35:45,791
"You know that song,

704
00:35:45,792 --> 00:35:47,041
'Dancing With Myself'
we've got?

705
00:35:47,042 --> 00:35:48,958
I've got a bit of a tune
for it."

706
00:35:48,959 --> 00:35:50,583
And he went,
"Look, it goes like this."

707
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:55,124
And literally in the space
of like two minutes,

708
00:35:55,125 --> 00:35:57,625
we wrote all the lyrics,
just the two of us,

709
00:35:57,626 --> 00:36:00,166
and by the afternoon
we'd recorded the demo.

710
00:36:02,584 --> 00:36:05,042
We'd been a part
of this music revolution...

711
00:36:06,292 --> 00:36:08,918
and we wanna push it,
push it onward.

712
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,708
The first initial wave
of punk was ending

713
00:36:21,709 --> 00:36:25,875
and a lot of people
were morphing their music

714
00:36:25,876 --> 00:36:27,792
into different areas.

715
00:36:28,292 --> 00:36:30,374
Some people were leaving
the initial group,

716
00:36:30,375 --> 00:36:32,459
or the initial group
had broken up.

717
00:36:34,334 --> 00:36:38,041
And, um, eventually,
one way or another,

718
00:36:38,042 --> 00:36:39,751
Derwood and Mark left.

719
00:36:41,959 --> 00:36:44,042
They left me and Tony
on our own.

720
00:36:47,417 --> 00:36:50,208
So I went into,
um, Chrysalis Records

721
00:36:50,209 --> 00:36:51,708
and said,
"Look, I've got this idea.

722
00:36:51,709 --> 00:36:53,708
Why don't we see
if we could get

723
00:36:53,709 --> 00:36:55,417
Bill Aucoin
to manage the group?"

724
00:36:56,667 --> 00:36:58,541
Tony, I think
as a joke, sort of said,

725
00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:01,834
"What about the guy who
manages KISS, Bill Aucoin?"

726
00:37:02,292 --> 00:37:04,374
'Cause I thought, look,
here's the manager

727
00:37:04,375 --> 00:37:05,833
of one of the biggest groups
in the States.

728
00:37:05,834 --> 00:37:09,083
He's going to understand
what Generation X is about.

729
00:37:09,459 --> 00:37:11,124
So I said
to Bill Aucoin,

730
00:37:11,125 --> 00:37:13,166
"What we need
is a rock and roll,

731
00:37:13,167 --> 00:37:15,625
for want of a better word,
'disco producer.'

732
00:37:15,626 --> 00:37:17,875
We need someone
who knows dance music."

733
00:37:17,876 --> 00:37:21,082
'Cause I was listening
to just as much disco music

734
00:37:21,083 --> 00:37:23,833
and disco remix
as I was punk rock,

735
00:37:23,834 --> 00:37:25,208
and I was starting to think,

736
00:37:25,209 --> 00:37:27,791
what about if you put
the two musics together?

737
00:37:27,792 --> 00:37:29,500
Alright.

738
00:37:29,501 --> 00:37:31,125
And the winner is...

739
00:37:33,626 --> 00:37:34,541
Wow.

740
00:37:34,542 --> 00:37:36,791
The winner is Giorgio Moroder

741
00:37:36,792 --> 00:37:38,082
for Midnight Express.

742
00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:45,541
Giorgio Moroder
worked in the disco world.

743
00:37:50,542 --> 00:37:52,750
He was a producer
who was huge,

744
00:37:52,751 --> 00:37:54,958
and he'd written some songs
for Donna Summer.

745
00:37:54,959 --> 00:37:57,041
- ♪ Lookin' for some ♪
- ♪ Hot stuff ♪

746
00:37:57,042 --> 00:37:58,834
♪ Baby, this evening ♪

747
00:37:59,250 --> 00:38:00,917
- ♪ I need some ♪
- ♪ Hot stuff ♪

748
00:38:00,918 --> 00:38:02,583
♪ Baby, tonight ♪

749
00:38:05,918 --> 00:38:07,416
The first time
I heard Billy,

750
00:38:07,417 --> 00:38:09,583
I was in, um, Los Angeles.

751
00:38:09,584 --> 00:38:11,458
I worked for Giorgio Moroder.

752
00:38:11,459 --> 00:38:13,875
I used to screen
all of the material

753
00:38:13,876 --> 00:38:15,500
that came to the house.

754
00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:17,999
We'd just get records,
cassettes, everything,

755
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,041
'cause Moroder was huge
at that time.

756
00:38:20,042 --> 00:38:21,958
And I'd never seen--
I'd never seen Gen X,

757
00:38:21,959 --> 00:38:24,626
I'd never seen Billy,
I just got the cassette.

758
00:38:29,626 --> 00:38:31,082
It was a lucky break.

759
00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:33,625
I think it was just the fact
that I'm in the States

760
00:38:33,626 --> 00:38:36,791
and I'm not paying attention
to punk rock that much,

761
00:38:36,792 --> 00:38:39,333
but the voice from Idol
was like,

762
00:38:39,334 --> 00:38:40,917
wow, you can't deny it.

763
00:38:40,918 --> 00:38:43,500
♪ Or down in London town
to go, go... ♪

764
00:38:43,501 --> 00:38:45,958
So I said, "Hey boss,
maybe you should do this."

765
00:38:45,959 --> 00:38:47,208
He didn't wanna do it.

766
00:38:47,209 --> 00:38:48,833
I said,
"Well, maybe I can do it?

767
00:38:48,834 --> 00:38:50,374
Maybe I can produce it
for your company?"

768
00:38:50,375 --> 00:38:51,334
I'd never been a producer.

769
00:38:52,167 --> 00:38:54,249
He called Bill Aucoin

770
00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:56,334
and, uh, they said,
"Yeah, let's do it."

771
00:38:58,751 --> 00:38:59,791
First gig ever.

772
00:39:07,292 --> 00:39:08,918
It was a little scary at first.

773
00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:15,334
The scene in London was
a lot of heroin everywhere.

774
00:39:17,501 --> 00:39:19,333
We recorded
at AIR Studios,

775
00:39:19,334 --> 00:39:21,166
which is above Oxford Circus.

776
00:39:21,167 --> 00:39:23,625
We had the idea that
we should get Steve Jones

777
00:39:23,626 --> 00:39:25,708
to play the rhythm guitars.

778
00:39:25,709 --> 00:39:29,500
I had a seizure 'cause I'd
just come back from Thailand

779
00:39:29,501 --> 00:39:30,833
and I was strung out.

780
00:39:30,834 --> 00:39:32,291
Everyone thought I was joking

781
00:39:32,292 --> 00:39:33,791
'cause I'm a joker, you know?

782
00:39:33,792 --> 00:39:36,291
But next thing I know,
I'm carted along Oxford Street

783
00:39:36,292 --> 00:39:37,333
on a stretcher.

784
00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:41,125
Anyway, that was
what I remember of that.

785
00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:44,791
Steve New played
the lead guitar parts.

786
00:39:44,792 --> 00:39:46,918
He was a heroin addict
as well.

787
00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:50,875
Keith Forsey is in
the control room, thinking,

788
00:39:50,876 --> 00:39:53,082
"What the fuck am I letting
myself in for?"

789
00:39:53,083 --> 00:39:55,208
There are three large bottles
of methadone

790
00:39:55,209 --> 00:39:56,917
on the top
of the control desk.

791
00:39:56,918 --> 00:39:59,500
One for Steve, you know,
one for everybody.

792
00:39:59,501 --> 00:40:02,875
In the States, we were
into different kind of drugs.

793
00:40:05,918 --> 00:40:08,458
The hardest part was Billy's...

794
00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:11,541
you know, doing heroin
and hanging out with Perri.

795
00:40:11,542 --> 00:40:13,875
The monster comes out...

796
00:40:13,876 --> 00:40:16,542
...and it changes everything.

797
00:40:17,042 --> 00:40:20,082
The closeness that we had
as best friends,

798
00:40:20,083 --> 00:40:21,416
we couldn't be that anymore.

799
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,208
It made us drift apart.

800
00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:39,249
It's easy to say
it's the drugs.

801
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:40,626
But what about if it's me?

802
00:40:41,042 --> 00:40:43,249
What about if it's really
Billy who's doing this?

803
00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:47,791
I didn't know
who Billy Idol was

804
00:40:47,792 --> 00:40:50,042
when we started Generation X
or Chelsea.

805
00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:54,501
But by 1981,
I know who Billy Idol is.

806
00:40:55,083 --> 00:40:56,792
Your music has changed,
isn't it?

807
00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:58,958
You're not the same
Generation X you were

808
00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:00,416
when you first broke in
on the scene.

809
00:41:00,417 --> 00:41:02,458
Um... Don't know. I feel
pretty much the same.

810
00:41:02,459 --> 00:41:03,999
Okay.
That's quite interesting.

811
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,625
- It's kind of more you?
- I think so, yeah.

812
00:41:05,626 --> 00:41:07,500
So what do you think it was
in the beginning?

813
00:41:07,501 --> 00:41:09,958
I've got five years
being in the public eye.

814
00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:13,458
It's five years being
on television.

815
00:41:13,459 --> 00:41:15,458
51-1.

816
00:41:15,459 --> 00:41:17,209
It's five years
honing your act.

817
00:41:19,834 --> 00:41:22,042
So now I know
who Billy Idol is.

818
00:41:22,459 --> 00:41:25,708
And now I'm finding out
where I wanna take him.

819
00:41:25,709 --> 00:41:27,791
What if, suddenly,
you did take off

820
00:41:27,792 --> 00:41:29,833
and you were number one
in America,

821
00:41:29,834 --> 00:41:31,333
you were number one
in England?

822
00:41:31,334 --> 00:41:32,958
What would you do
with the money, then?

823
00:41:32,959 --> 00:41:34,250
I'd spend it on drugs.

824
00:41:35,751 --> 00:41:38,458
The drugs just happened
to come along with a time

825
00:41:38,459 --> 00:41:40,833
where Tony's kind of rule

826
00:41:40,834 --> 00:41:43,542
of Generation X
was faltering, really.

827
00:41:44,167 --> 00:41:45,876
And now it's time
to take over.

828
00:41:47,125 --> 00:41:49,501
I hijacked Generation X, really.

829
00:41:50,459 --> 00:41:53,208
That last Gen X album
was really

830
00:41:53,209 --> 00:41:55,500
the first Billy Idol
solo album, really.

831
00:41:57,167 --> 00:41:59,208
We kept
"Dancing With Myself."

832
00:41:59,209 --> 00:42:00,750
We did the whole album.

833
00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:03,834
The album
wasn't very successful.

834
00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:08,374
But "Dancing With Myself"
hit in New York.

835
00:42:14,959 --> 00:42:16,208
This track was like

836
00:42:16,209 --> 00:42:17,958
this feature
of New York clubs,

837
00:42:17,959 --> 00:42:20,208
so everywhere you went,
no matter where you went,

838
00:42:20,209 --> 00:42:21,459
you heard that.

839
00:42:22,042 --> 00:42:24,584
I think, in some ways,
it gave him a lot of hope.

840
00:42:27,584 --> 00:42:29,667
The record company
said to me, um,

841
00:42:30,083 --> 00:42:31,667
"Mate, you can't have
done it here."

842
00:42:32,042 --> 00:42:34,833
Things were faltering
in England, you know.

843
00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:36,374
Punk rock was basically over.

844
00:42:36,375 --> 00:42:39,583
"Why don't you come to America?
You know...

845
00:42:39,584 --> 00:42:41,374
Come to New York.
You know, it's bankrupt.

846
00:42:41,375 --> 00:42:43,458
Anything goes."

847
00:42:43,459 --> 00:42:45,708
♪ New York is just
a great big stage ♪

848
00:42:45,709 --> 00:42:47,208
♪ Where everyone
has a part to play ♪

849
00:42:47,209 --> 00:42:49,166
♪ You'll find everything
you might need ♪

850
00:42:49,167 --> 00:42:51,041
♪ From one to ten
From A to Z ♪

851
00:42:51,042 --> 00:42:53,374
♪ And from side to side
From place to place ♪

852
00:42:53,375 --> 00:42:55,249
♪ New York is full
of every race ♪

853
00:42:58,709 --> 00:43:00,374
When I first came
to New York,

854
00:43:00,375 --> 00:43:02,416
I had a mattress, some sheets,

855
00:43:02,417 --> 00:43:03,959
and my guitar.

856
00:43:04,792 --> 00:43:07,875
The record company had given
me a certain amount of dollars

857
00:43:07,876 --> 00:43:10,750
and, uh, I'd pay the rent
and buy pot and stuff,

858
00:43:10,751 --> 00:43:12,958
and a little bit
of weak smack.

859
00:43:14,584 --> 00:43:16,458
And I'd go out to dance clubs.

860
00:43:23,667 --> 00:43:27,416
The New York underground
club scene

861
00:43:27,417 --> 00:43:29,750
was pretty exclusive,

862
00:43:29,751 --> 00:43:31,625
so when Billy and I met,

863
00:43:31,626 --> 00:43:34,082
we could always get
into the same clubs.

864
00:43:34,083 --> 00:43:38,626
And, man, we vibed so hard
together as soon as we met.

865
00:43:40,584 --> 00:43:43,249
I was a real party animal.

866
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:45,458
Be it on the coke or the booze

867
00:43:45,459 --> 00:43:46,750
or the what-have-you.

868
00:43:46,751 --> 00:43:49,166
We partied almost every night.

869
00:43:51,918 --> 00:43:55,124
I have to tell you
about the day

870
00:43:55,125 --> 00:43:58,042
that I thought Billy Idol was
the coolest dude in the world.

871
00:43:59,792 --> 00:44:01,209
We walk into the club.

872
00:44:02,250 --> 00:44:04,249
David Bowie was wearing a suit

873
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:05,666
and he's in the back
of the club

874
00:44:05,667 --> 00:44:08,125
sitting all by himself.

875
00:44:08,542 --> 00:44:10,667
And I never met him.

876
00:44:11,292 --> 00:44:14,625
Bowie was our symbol
of sophistication

877
00:44:14,626 --> 00:44:16,791
and we were like...

878
00:44:16,792 --> 00:44:18,291
We were lit. I mean, come on.

879
00:44:18,292 --> 00:44:19,751
We were totally lit.

880
00:44:20,167 --> 00:44:21,333
And Billy went...

881
00:44:21,334 --> 00:44:22,583
..."Bloody hell!

882
00:44:22,584 --> 00:44:24,333
That's David fucking Bowie!"

883
00:44:24,334 --> 00:44:27,082
And as he said "Bowie,"

884
00:44:27,083 --> 00:44:28,125
he barfed.

885
00:44:28,417 --> 00:44:29,666
He went,

886
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:32,833
"Bloody hell!
That's David fucking Bowie!"

887
00:44:38,959 --> 00:44:40,250
And then he went,

888
00:44:40,667 --> 00:44:42,334
"Hello, mate."

889
00:44:43,584 --> 00:44:45,666
That was the night
that changed my life

890
00:44:45,667 --> 00:44:48,626
because David and I,
we became good friends.

891
00:44:50,375 --> 00:44:53,584
And I produced his record,
Let's Dance.

892
00:44:55,167 --> 00:44:57,417
We all wanted
to be David Bowie.

893
00:45:00,042 --> 00:45:01,500
Billy was out at the clubs

894
00:45:01,501 --> 00:45:04,250
and there was
a little notoriety around him.

895
00:45:04,626 --> 00:45:06,374
People started to recognize
who he was

896
00:45:06,375 --> 00:45:09,542
and he'd put no new music
out here in America.

897
00:45:09,959 --> 00:45:12,666
So we wanted to get
something out pretty quickly,

898
00:45:12,667 --> 00:45:14,082
so in '81,

899
00:45:14,083 --> 00:45:15,833
decided to put out
a four-track EP.

900
00:45:15,834 --> 00:45:18,000
Just put together four songs.

901
00:45:18,584 --> 00:45:21,374
They presented him
all these producers

902
00:45:21,375 --> 00:45:23,458
and he said,
"I wanna go with Keith."

903
00:45:23,459 --> 00:45:26,416
Yeah.
He covered my ass.

904
00:45:26,417 --> 00:45:28,416
It was really good.

905
00:45:28,417 --> 00:45:30,541
So I could see
that "Dancing With Myself"

906
00:45:30,542 --> 00:45:32,917
is in all these clubs.

907
00:45:32,918 --> 00:45:34,541
How do I follow it up?

908
00:45:34,542 --> 00:45:36,334
I've just got to figure out

909
00:45:36,918 --> 00:45:38,708
something that Keith Forsey
can produce.

910
00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:40,166
Now, Keith Forsey's a drummer.

911
00:45:41,751 --> 00:45:44,208
I gotta find something
that's kind of a drum thing.

912
00:45:44,209 --> 00:45:47,041
What about an old '60s song,
you know, some cover?

913
00:45:47,042 --> 00:45:51,042
♪ Here she come now sayin',
"Mony, Mony" ♪

914
00:45:53,626 --> 00:45:56,501
We had "Mony Mony,"
"Dancing With Myself,"

915
00:45:57,042 --> 00:45:58,249
"Baby Talk,"

916
00:45:58,250 --> 00:46:00,291
a cover of a Gen X song,
"Untouchables,"

917
00:46:00,292 --> 00:46:01,291
which I had written.

918
00:46:01,292 --> 00:46:02,791
But it gave us the four tracks.

919
00:46:02,792 --> 00:46:04,249
♪ ...love,
and I feel all right ♪

920
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:06,082
We got something out,
something released,

921
00:46:06,083 --> 00:46:07,750
and I felt like
he was on a mission.

922
00:46:07,751 --> 00:46:09,333
He knew there was an audience

923
00:46:09,334 --> 00:46:10,791
that was ready
for something new.

924
00:46:10,792 --> 00:46:13,249
- ♪ I said, yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪

925
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:14,875
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪

926
00:46:14,876 --> 00:46:17,666
- ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪

927
00:46:17,667 --> 00:46:19,334
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah... ♪

928
00:46:19,918 --> 00:46:22,291
Wasn't quite the same reaction
as "Dancing With Myself,"

929
00:46:22,292 --> 00:46:23,541
but it was a great follow-up

930
00:46:23,542 --> 00:46:25,750
and it kept me
in the New Wave dance chart.

931
00:46:28,459 --> 00:46:31,083
So I had to get a band
together quite quickly.

932
00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:33,708
I was in a band

933
00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:35,166
that was managed
by Bill Aucoin.

934
00:46:35,167 --> 00:46:36,999
He said, "Do you know
who Billy Idol is?"

935
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,166
And I said, "Oh, yeah.
He's the Generation X guy."

936
00:46:39,167 --> 00:46:40,833
He said,
"Well, he's moved to New York

937
00:46:40,834 --> 00:46:42,124
and we're managing him.

938
00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,292
You guys should meet."

939
00:46:43,751 --> 00:46:45,583
Steve is not so much
the punk guy.

940
00:46:45,584 --> 00:46:48,166
He's the American...

941
00:46:48,167 --> 00:46:49,374
He's that guy.

942
00:46:49,375 --> 00:46:50,750
- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah... ♪

943
00:46:50,751 --> 00:46:52,917
I said, "Look, I may not be
the guitar player for you,

944
00:46:52,918 --> 00:46:54,249
but just give me a shot,
you know."

945
00:46:56,542 --> 00:47:03,166
♪ Come on ♪

946
00:47:03,167 --> 00:47:05,042
♪ Come on, come on ♪

947
00:47:05,626 --> 00:47:08,500
Bill Aucoin had come
out of television originally

948
00:47:08,501 --> 00:47:11,500
and he told me very early on,
like in 1980,

949
00:47:11,501 --> 00:47:13,708
that there was gonna be
this new platform

950
00:47:13,709 --> 00:47:15,791
that was gonna be there
for the new musics

951
00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:16,708
that were gonna happen

952
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:18,541
and I'd be perfect for it.

953
00:47:24,501 --> 00:47:27,666
Welcome to MTV,
Music Television,

954
00:47:27,667 --> 00:47:31,708
the world's first 24-hour
stereo video music channel.

955
00:47:31,709 --> 00:47:34,542
You'll never look at music
the same way again.

956
00:47:36,792 --> 00:47:38,166
One of the hottest things

957
00:47:38,167 --> 00:47:39,333
on television these days

958
00:47:39,334 --> 00:47:40,666
is a cable station

959
00:47:40,667 --> 00:47:42,333
that plays nothing
but rock music.

960
00:47:42,334 --> 00:47:44,583
Music Television. MTV.

961
00:47:48,792 --> 00:47:51,291
MTV came around
in August of '81.

962
00:47:51,292 --> 00:47:53,583
MTV, which is not
in every city,

963
00:47:53,584 --> 00:47:55,500
claims an audience
of ten million

964
00:47:55,501 --> 00:47:57,834
ranging in age from 12 to 35.

965
00:47:58,209 --> 00:48:00,500
All those people that now
were tuned in to MTV

966
00:48:00,501 --> 00:48:02,124
were expecting
something different.

967
00:48:02,125 --> 00:48:04,709
The video,
you have all the visuals

968
00:48:05,125 --> 00:48:06,917
that just really stick
in your mind.

969
00:48:06,918 --> 00:48:08,666
Especially artists
I haven't liked before,

970
00:48:08,667 --> 00:48:10,166
if I see them
on the videos sometimes,

971
00:48:10,167 --> 00:48:11,708
it turns me on to their music
and what they do.

972
00:48:11,709 --> 00:48:13,416
I think there's
this new visual music

973
00:48:13,417 --> 00:48:14,875
hitting now in the '80s,

974
00:48:14,876 --> 00:48:16,541
and I think MTV
is ushering that in.

975
00:48:16,542 --> 00:48:19,041
You've got people that
grew up with rock and roll

976
00:48:19,042 --> 00:48:20,666
and they grew up
with a television set.

977
00:48:20,667 --> 00:48:23,626
And MTV is the first marriage
of those two forms.

978
00:48:26,667 --> 00:48:28,374
It was kind of
the future, really.

979
00:48:28,375 --> 00:48:30,583
This TV channel
that was 24 hours

980
00:48:30,584 --> 00:48:33,750
needed content,
and we were gonna provide it.

981
00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:42,375
Hey!

982
00:48:42,876 --> 00:48:44,124
- Oh, back at work.
- Miss you, mate.

983
00:48:44,125 --> 00:48:46,125
Hello! Good to see you!

984
00:48:46,459 --> 00:48:50,209
In the studio, Billy's really
a man of the moment.

985
00:48:50,626 --> 00:48:51,917
He's on or he's not.

986
00:48:51,918 --> 00:48:53,917
The magic's gonna be there
or it's not.

987
00:48:53,918 --> 00:48:55,791
So we're in Westlake Audio.

988
00:48:55,792 --> 00:48:57,166
We're kind of beavering away,

989
00:48:57,167 --> 00:48:59,208
but, you know, we didn't--
it's not there.

990
00:48:59,209 --> 00:49:01,791
So I said, Bill, "We're gonna
set you up in a studio."

991
00:49:01,792 --> 00:49:03,416
Right?
So he goes in, sits down.

992
00:49:03,417 --> 00:49:06,124
We set him up, he's got play,
stop, and start.

993
00:49:06,125 --> 00:49:08,666
Thing there, and you sat in
there for, like, ten minutes.

994
00:49:08,667 --> 00:49:09,917
He comes out and says,
"Teacher!"

995
00:49:09,918 --> 00:49:11,625
I've done my homework.

996
00:49:11,626 --> 00:49:13,082
Said, "Teacher!"

997
00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:14,374
I go in there and he's like...

998
00:49:14,375 --> 00:49:15,625
♪ Hey, little sister ♪

999
00:49:15,626 --> 00:49:17,083
It's like, "Fuck!"

1000
00:49:17,459 --> 00:49:21,333
♪ Hey, little sister,
what have you done? ♪

1001
00:49:21,334 --> 00:49:22,666
- About 15 or 20 minutes...
- Yeah!

1002
00:49:22,667 --> 00:49:25,833
...or something and I'd somehow
got the pieces.

1003
00:49:25,834 --> 00:49:27,333
- Oh, yeah.
- I got the verse.

1004
00:49:27,334 --> 00:49:28,791
- I got the chorus.
- Yeah.

1005
00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:29,625
I had the...

1006
00:49:30,918 --> 00:49:31,751
Yeah.

1007
00:49:33,125 --> 00:49:34,416
I had those pieces.

1008
00:49:34,417 --> 00:49:36,875
We kind of had the kernel
of the song.

1009
00:49:40,918 --> 00:49:43,333
The first time I met Billy,
there was a sort of a crisis

1010
00:49:43,334 --> 00:49:45,500
because there was this video
called "White Wedding"

1011
00:49:45,501 --> 00:49:47,959
that had to be shot,
like, tomorrow.

1012
00:49:48,334 --> 00:49:49,750
And Billy came running in
and he said,

1013
00:49:49,751 --> 00:49:51,750
"I got this great idea
to be the Invisible Man

1014
00:49:51,751 --> 00:49:53,791
and to take
all these shrouds off."

1015
00:49:53,792 --> 00:49:56,583
And then I fired off that and
somebody else fired off that.

1016
00:49:56,584 --> 00:49:58,208
Then we said
we'd have this punk wedding

1017
00:49:58,209 --> 00:50:00,333
with a wedding ring
which is made of barbed wire.

1018
00:50:00,334 --> 00:50:03,042
And then literally
the next morning, we shot it.

1019
00:50:03,626 --> 00:50:07,375
♪ Hey, little sister,
what have you done? ♪

1020
00:50:10,083 --> 00:50:14,083
♪ Hey, little sister,
who's the only one? ♪

1021
00:50:16,751 --> 00:50:18,833
♪ Hey, little sister,
who's your... ♪

1022
00:50:18,834 --> 00:50:22,625
"White Wedding" really was his
breakthrough song in America.

1023
00:50:22,626 --> 00:50:23,791
♪ ...only one ♪

1024
00:50:23,792 --> 00:50:25,876
♪ Hey, little sister,
shotgun ♪

1025
00:50:26,334 --> 00:50:30,375
♪ It's a nice day
to start again ♪

1026
00:50:30,834 --> 00:50:33,082
This is what is currently
doing very, very well.

1027
00:50:33,083 --> 00:50:35,875
♪ It's a nice day
for a white wedding ♪

1028
00:50:35,876 --> 00:50:37,625
Congratulations
on your album,

1029
00:50:37,626 --> 00:50:39,333
Billy Idol.
Good name for an album.

1030
00:50:39,334 --> 00:50:41,833
Yeah, well, it's easy anyway,
put it like that.

1031
00:50:41,834 --> 00:50:43,999
Everybody's all talkin'
and talkin' and talkin'

1032
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,626
- about "White Wedding."
- That's right.

1033
00:50:46,042 --> 00:50:50,082
♪ Hey, little sister,
who is it you're with? ♪

1034
00:50:50,083 --> 00:50:53,416
People see "White
Wedding" 'cause MTV starts.

1035
00:50:53,417 --> 00:50:55,708
Billy was one of the first
people on it, really.

1036
00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:57,166
♪ Hey, little sister... ♪

1037
00:50:57,167 --> 00:50:59,082
They didn't have
that much to play.

1038
00:50:59,083 --> 00:51:01,708
So when they said, "Your video
is on heavy rotation,"

1039
00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:02,917
they played it every half
an hour

1040
00:51:02,918 --> 00:51:04,666
basically 'cause they didn't
have much else.

1041
00:51:04,667 --> 00:51:09,666
♪ ...start again, ow! ♪

1042
00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:12,209
Billy Idol put MTV on the map.

1043
00:51:13,584 --> 00:51:16,208
That David Mallet
"White Wedding" video

1044
00:51:16,209 --> 00:51:17,500
was a game-changer.

1045
00:51:17,501 --> 00:51:19,374
The visuals, it was
the angst of punk rock

1046
00:51:19,375 --> 00:51:22,209
that we really didn't see
in America before that.

1047
00:51:23,626 --> 00:51:26,333
We'd come by, we'd hang out
by the studios.

1048
00:51:26,334 --> 00:51:27,750
We were a small business,

1049
00:51:27,751 --> 00:51:29,458
and we were grateful

1050
00:51:29,459 --> 00:51:31,249
that here's a guy
who helped us

1051
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:33,584
launch this network that
could've very easily failed.

1052
00:51:34,083 --> 00:51:36,791
You have to be
demented to take these videos

1053
00:51:36,792 --> 00:51:38,291
for more than one night.

1054
00:51:38,292 --> 00:51:40,333
Or you have to be a teenager.

1055
00:51:41,626 --> 00:51:42,876
♪ Pick it up! ♪

1056
00:51:43,417 --> 00:51:45,709
♪ Take me back home, yeah ♪

1057
00:51:46,042 --> 00:51:48,082
He understood the power
of visuals.

1058
00:51:48,083 --> 00:51:49,708
It broke through via MTV

1059
00:51:49,709 --> 00:51:51,249
and it really moved
into pop culture.

1060
00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:52,958
Video rock
is fast becoming

1061
00:51:52,959 --> 00:51:55,082
the music industry's
marketing miracle.

1062
00:51:55,083 --> 00:51:56,791
Some California record stores

1063
00:51:56,792 --> 00:51:59,416
are noticing sales
up 10% to 20%

1064
00:51:59,417 --> 00:52:01,876
for albums by groups
who appear on MTV.

1065
00:52:02,375 --> 00:52:05,625
But a good video can't make
a bad song good.

1066
00:52:05,626 --> 00:52:07,833
A good video can make
a good song great,

1067
00:52:07,834 --> 00:52:09,166
and that's what Billy had.

1068
00:52:09,167 --> 00:52:10,500
He made great music

1069
00:52:10,501 --> 00:52:12,917
and his videos
just took them even higher.

1070
00:52:12,918 --> 00:52:14,750
And playback!

1071
00:52:18,292 --> 00:52:20,374
I wanted to get movie people

1072
00:52:20,375 --> 00:52:21,791
who've already done films

1073
00:52:21,792 --> 00:52:24,999
so you had somebody
thinking widescreen almost.

1074
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,249
Even right from the start
with "Dancing With Myself,"

1075
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:30,500
I got Tobe Hooper,

1076
00:52:30,501 --> 00:52:32,834
who'd done
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre,

1077
00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:34,999
Jeff Stein, who'd done
The Kids Are Alright,

1078
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,124
and David Mallet.

1079
00:52:39,459 --> 00:52:40,667
It was all imagery.

1080
00:52:41,834 --> 00:52:44,666
We could project
how we wanted to look,

1081
00:52:44,667 --> 00:52:46,291
and be in control of it, really.

1082
00:52:52,083 --> 00:52:54,291
The great thing about
New York City at that point

1083
00:52:54,292 --> 00:52:56,542
was that it seemed everybody
went out to clubs.

1084
00:52:57,709 --> 00:53:00,541
So Billy, by going out
and being visible,

1085
00:53:00,542 --> 00:53:02,999
we bumped into these MTV VJs.

1086
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,458
They saw the swagger,
they saw the charisma.

1087
00:53:05,459 --> 00:53:06,792
They liked Billy.

1088
00:53:07,083 --> 00:53:08,291
We are here with Billy Idol.

1089
00:53:08,292 --> 00:53:10,124
Isn't tonight your birthday,
Billy?

1090
00:53:10,125 --> 00:53:12,459
Oh, Christ.

1091
00:53:14,459 --> 00:53:15,958
I kind of thought that it was.

1092
00:53:15,959 --> 00:53:17,708
And just in the nick of time,

1093
00:53:17,709 --> 00:53:21,708
it's J.J. Jackson
with a cake for you,

1094
00:53:21,709 --> 00:53:23,708
compliments of MTV.

1095
00:53:23,709 --> 00:53:25,333
Billy,
how old are you tonight?

1096
00:53:25,334 --> 00:53:27,249
They were
kind of rooting for him

1097
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:28,999
because he had
all the ingredients

1098
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,374
of being a massive star.

1099
00:53:39,501 --> 00:53:41,083
I know a lot of people,

1100
00:53:41,584 --> 00:53:43,541
they want rock and roll
to be dead.

1101
00:53:43,542 --> 00:53:46,082
But, uh, rock is dead.

1102
00:53:46,083 --> 00:53:47,292
Long live rock, you know.

1103
00:53:47,751 --> 00:53:53,875
♪ Last night, a little dancer
came dancin' to my door ♪

1104
00:53:53,876 --> 00:53:56,583
♪ Last night, a little angel
came pumpin'... ♪

1105
00:53:56,584 --> 00:53:58,708
Ever since
the rock anthem "Rebel Yell"

1106
00:53:58,709 --> 00:54:00,208
hit the airwaves
late last fall,

1107
00:54:00,209 --> 00:54:02,208
kids everywhere
have been lining up

1108
00:54:02,209 --> 00:54:03,918
to watch Billy Idol in action.

1109
00:54:04,334 --> 00:54:07,583
He was now playing
nationwide in more cities.

1110
00:54:07,584 --> 00:54:10,584
MTV was starting to become
available in more homes.

1111
00:54:11,417 --> 00:54:13,082
♪ In the midnight hour ♪

1112
00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:15,834
♪ She cried,
"More, more, more" ♪

1113
00:54:17,209 --> 00:54:19,374
♪ With a rebel yell ♪

1114
00:54:19,375 --> 00:54:21,708
♪ She cried,
"More, more, more" ♪

1115
00:54:21,709 --> 00:54:23,292
♪ "More, more, more" ♪

1116
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,417
The audience was
starting to dress like Billy,

1117
00:54:26,792 --> 00:54:29,875
mimicking the fists
and doing all this stuff.

1118
00:54:29,876 --> 00:54:31,291
We thought that was great.

1119
00:54:31,292 --> 00:54:32,792
♪ ...sit and beg ♪

1120
00:54:34,042 --> 00:54:36,458
You know, you get up
in front of 15,000 people,

1121
00:54:36,459 --> 00:54:38,583
and the crash afterwards

1122
00:54:38,584 --> 00:54:39,958
is just horrendous.

1123
00:54:39,959 --> 00:54:41,918
We didn't know
how to deal with that.

1124
00:54:42,292 --> 00:54:43,791
So we'd get on the bus

1125
00:54:43,792 --> 00:54:45,791
and, you know,
continue to party,

1126
00:54:45,792 --> 00:54:47,374
drink and whatever else,

1127
00:54:47,375 --> 00:54:49,458
and check into the hotel,

1128
00:54:49,459 --> 00:54:52,791
get three or four hours' sleep
and then the cycle continues.

1129
00:54:52,792 --> 00:54:53,958
♪ In the midnight hour ♪

1130
00:54:53,959 --> 00:54:56,959
♪ She cried,
"More, more, more" ♪

1131
00:54:57,792 --> 00:55:00,124
♪ With a rebel yell ♪

1132
00:55:00,125 --> 00:55:03,999
♪ "More, more, more" ♪

1133
00:55:10,083 --> 00:55:12,292
Let's hear it for Billy Idol!

1134
00:55:12,667 --> 00:55:14,333
And Steve Stevens!

1135
00:55:31,417 --> 00:55:33,292
You get pretty burned out.

1136
00:55:33,667 --> 00:55:35,917
But I always backed off
the heroin

1137
00:55:35,918 --> 00:55:38,333
and then drank on tour,
you know.

1138
00:55:38,334 --> 00:55:40,041
I just drank a lot.

1139
00:55:40,042 --> 00:55:41,124
I just felt terrible.

1140
00:55:46,918 --> 00:55:49,500
♪ Well, there's a change
in pace ♪

1141
00:55:49,501 --> 00:55:53,041
♪ Of fantasy and taste... ♪

1142
00:55:53,042 --> 00:55:55,374
Do you think people expect
rock stars

1143
00:55:55,375 --> 00:55:57,500
to be outrageous still?

1144
00:55:57,501 --> 00:55:58,959
Yeah, I guess they do.

1145
00:55:59,375 --> 00:56:00,999
I'm only here for fun, really.

1146
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,250
I gotta have fun, you know?

1147
00:56:03,584 --> 00:56:06,166
We barely saw each other,
you know, like once a week

1148
00:56:06,167 --> 00:56:08,291
for a while
and then two months off.

1149
00:56:08,292 --> 00:56:09,666
And then a month together.

1150
00:56:09,667 --> 00:56:11,208
So it was very erratic,
our relationship.

1151
00:56:11,209 --> 00:56:12,791
♪ Back to back... ♪

1152
00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:15,124
When you have that kind
of mass adoration,

1153
00:56:15,125 --> 00:56:18,166
it would be very, very hard
not to change.

1154
00:56:18,167 --> 00:56:19,292
Sing it.

1155
00:56:21,125 --> 00:56:25,583
♪ Flesh, flesh for fantasy ♪

1156
00:56:25,584 --> 00:56:27,249
There are literally women

1157
00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:29,374
throwing themselves
in front of you.

1158
00:56:29,375 --> 00:56:30,750
Literally throwing themselves,

1159
00:56:30,751 --> 00:56:33,333
prostrate, on the ground,
you know.

1160
00:56:33,334 --> 00:56:35,999
♪ Flesh for fantasy ♪

1161
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,583
Of course he wasn't faithful
to me.

1162
00:56:37,584 --> 00:56:38,875
I wasn't faithful
to him either.

1163
00:56:38,876 --> 00:56:41,374
But, you know, we got along,
we got by.

1164
00:56:42,918 --> 00:56:44,333
She did say to me,

1165
00:56:44,334 --> 00:56:46,416
"Why do you have
to be Mr. Rock and Roll..."

1166
00:56:46,417 --> 00:56:48,542
"...24 hours a day?"

1167
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,209
And it's a bit like,
"Yeah, but that's the job."

1168
00:56:51,584 --> 00:56:53,291
You know, "I know
what you're saying, love,

1169
00:56:53,292 --> 00:56:55,541
but the job
is to be Billy Idol."

1170
00:56:55,542 --> 00:56:56,500
It's like...

1171
00:56:56,501 --> 00:56:57,750
Billy, how are you?

1172
00:56:57,751 --> 00:56:58,917
Alright, really.

1173
00:56:58,918 --> 00:57:01,082
- Um, Billy--
- Having a great time.

1174
00:57:01,083 --> 00:57:03,458
I've had some very heavy sex
while I've been in Australia.

1175
00:57:06,626 --> 00:57:08,374
What you got coming up next?

1176
00:57:08,375 --> 00:57:09,791
Where's Billy Idol heading?

1177
00:57:09,792 --> 00:57:11,583
Uh, to the bank.

1178
00:57:14,876 --> 00:57:19,041
♪ I'm all out of hope ♪

1179
00:57:19,042 --> 00:57:21,667
♪ One more bad break ♪

1180
00:57:22,125 --> 00:57:25,416
♪ Could bring a fall ♪

1181
00:57:25,417 --> 00:57:26,708
That Rebel Yell record,

1182
00:57:26,709 --> 00:57:29,083
I think,
produced four hits on it.

1183
00:57:29,542 --> 00:57:31,291
And not just in North America.

1184
00:57:31,292 --> 00:57:32,834
He broke through everywhere.

1185
00:57:33,709 --> 00:57:35,666
I know he had great joy in it

1186
00:57:35,667 --> 00:57:37,249
being successful in the UK

1187
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:38,750
'cause I think
that was his big point.

1188
00:57:38,751 --> 00:57:40,666
He wanted to prove
that he was a valid

1189
00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:42,292
and an authentic musician.

1190
00:57:43,751 --> 00:57:46,501
♪ Eyes without a face ♪

1191
00:57:47,083 --> 00:57:49,208
Are you anxious
to be taken seriously?

1192
00:57:49,209 --> 00:57:51,209
Well, I'm anxious,

1193
00:57:51,626 --> 00:57:54,500
at least, to feel that, yeah,
that my songs are good

1194
00:57:54,501 --> 00:57:55,999
and they're exciting.

1195
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,208
And that's why I'd like to be
taken seriously, yeah.

1196
00:57:58,209 --> 00:58:00,875
♪ Les yeux sans visage ♪

1197
00:58:00,876 --> 00:58:02,249
♪ Eyes without a face ♪

1198
00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:05,124
For a guy like me, a composer,

1199
00:58:05,125 --> 00:58:08,333
Billy's songs
are more interesting

1200
00:58:08,334 --> 00:58:11,917
than just the typical
rock and roll songs.

1201
00:58:11,918 --> 00:58:14,124
It's sort of like
the precursor

1202
00:58:14,125 --> 00:58:15,625
to Nirvana.

1203
00:58:18,667 --> 00:58:20,042
There's dynamics.

1204
00:58:20,459 --> 00:58:22,458
It's a totally
different style,

1205
00:58:22,459 --> 00:58:27,166
but Billy's songs would have
sections and interludes,

1206
00:58:27,167 --> 00:58:30,833
and I'm sure a lot of it
had to do with Steve...

1207
00:58:33,334 --> 00:58:37,667
...because they're really
interesting guitar parts.

1208
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,917
Very different than a lot
of formula songs

1209
00:58:42,918 --> 00:58:47,417
where you just, you know,
like, thrash through the song.

1210
00:58:47,834 --> 00:58:50,333
♪ Eyes without a face ♪

1211
00:58:50,334 --> 00:58:51,875
♪ Got no human grace ♪

1212
00:58:51,876 --> 00:58:55,584
Billy Idol was...
He was our Frank Sinatra.

1213
00:58:56,042 --> 00:58:58,249
He kinda had the whole thing,
you know?

1214
00:58:58,250 --> 00:59:02,292
♪ Eyes without a face ♪

1215
00:59:09,584 --> 00:59:11,541
Obviously,
there's a lot of stress

1216
00:59:11,542 --> 00:59:13,501
that comes along with success.

1217
00:59:14,417 --> 00:59:15,917
When I came to America,

1218
00:59:15,918 --> 00:59:17,250
my dad wrote to me.

1219
00:59:17,626 --> 00:59:20,708
He thought that taking drugs
was all to do with me

1220
00:59:20,709 --> 00:59:22,458
combating stress.

1221
00:59:22,459 --> 00:59:24,249
He sent me these letters.

1222
00:59:27,792 --> 00:59:30,125
Or he sent them to Brigid
a lot of times.

1223
00:59:30,918 --> 00:59:32,333
'Cause Brigid Waters,

1224
00:59:32,334 --> 00:59:34,751
she worked for Aucoin
and Chrysalis at one point.

1225
00:59:36,375 --> 00:59:37,875
"Dear Brigid,

1226
00:59:37,876 --> 00:59:39,374
it has been
quite a year for us all,

1227
00:59:39,375 --> 00:59:40,875
and without you,
things would've been

1228
00:59:40,876 --> 00:59:41,959
much more difficult.

1229
00:59:43,334 --> 00:59:45,583
Billy is entitled
to run his own life

1230
00:59:45,584 --> 00:59:47,458
exactly as he chooses.

1231
00:59:47,459 --> 00:59:48,875
His money is his own.

1232
00:59:48,876 --> 00:59:51,458
He can spend it, save it,
squander it,

1233
00:59:51,459 --> 00:59:53,875
give it away,
make silly deals,

1234
00:59:53,876 --> 00:59:55,209
be over-generous.

1235
00:59:56,918 --> 00:59:58,958
Joan and I think
we have to hang in,

1236
00:59:58,959 --> 01:00:01,750
have to try to protect
his finances

1237
01:00:01,751 --> 01:00:03,542
and hope he will allow that."

1238
01:00:15,626 --> 01:00:16,958
Please welcome Billy Idol.

1239
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:21,791
But my dad just
couldn't imagine, you know.

1240
01:00:21,792 --> 01:00:23,918
Nice to see you.
Come on over here, sir.

1241
01:00:24,459 --> 01:00:27,375
'Cause I was traversing
this unknown world.

1242
01:00:27,876 --> 01:00:30,999
I didn't go to somewhere
where they teach you

1243
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,417
how to be on television.

1244
01:00:33,834 --> 01:00:36,667
It was all just off
the top of your head.

1245
01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:38,833
Uh,
you're interested in films?

1246
01:00:38,834 --> 01:00:41,459
I know you would like to be
in a Star Trek movie.

1247
01:00:41,876 --> 01:00:43,999
I'd really like to do something
tacky like that,

1248
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,626
yeah, you know.

1249
01:00:47,125 --> 01:00:49,583
I wouldn't mind being
in something like that.

1250
01:00:49,584 --> 01:00:50,999
I mean, Tobe Hooper,

1251
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,208
he asked me to be
in this film he's done called

1252
01:00:53,209 --> 01:00:54,333
Space Vampires.

1253
01:00:54,334 --> 01:00:55,625
- Uh-huh.
- That would've been great

1254
01:00:55,626 --> 01:00:56,833
to have been
in something like that.

1255
01:00:56,834 --> 01:00:58,167
Yeah. Yeah.

1256
01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:00,416
I'm sure-- I would think
that you have

1257
01:01:00,417 --> 01:01:03,124
a really nice career
ahead of you.

1258
01:01:03,125 --> 01:01:04,791
If you want to do films,
that's great.

1259
01:01:04,792 --> 01:01:06,709
Did I see an actor there?

1260
01:01:07,876 --> 01:01:09,333
No, I didn't, but I didn't

1261
01:01:09,334 --> 01:01:10,833
because I wasn't looking
for it.

1262
01:01:10,834 --> 01:01:12,666
And at that time, I wonder

1263
01:01:12,667 --> 01:01:14,458
whether he would've been
disciplined enough

1264
01:01:14,459 --> 01:01:16,625
to be a real proper
jobbing actor.

1265
01:01:26,167 --> 01:01:28,041
Only a few short years ago,

1266
01:01:28,042 --> 01:01:29,999
the release
of a movie soundtrack album

1267
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,291
was received with indifference
or audible groans.

1268
01:01:33,292 --> 01:01:35,374
Now the record industry
is singing a different tune

1269
01:01:35,375 --> 01:01:38,875
as top-grossing movie musicals
are spinning off albums

1270
01:01:38,876 --> 01:01:40,041
that sell long after

1271
01:01:40,042 --> 01:01:42,500
the conventional
publicity campaign

1272
01:01:42,501 --> 01:01:43,626
for a movie is over.

1273
01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:47,708
Bill Aucoin
had met Joel Silver.

1274
01:01:47,709 --> 01:01:49,875
I think Joel Silver
had just done Streets of Fire

1275
01:01:49,876 --> 01:01:52,374
so he thought he could make
a Billy Idol film.

1276
01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:55,917
Streets of Fire is
an example of good marketing

1277
01:01:55,918 --> 01:01:57,208
over poor movie-making.

1278
01:01:57,209 --> 01:02:00,041
With bad reviews
and negative word-of-mouth,

1279
01:02:00,042 --> 01:02:02,208
Streets of Fire
should have disappeared

1280
01:02:02,209 --> 01:02:04,041
from the theaters long ago.

1281
01:02:04,042 --> 01:02:05,750
That it didn't
is further proof

1282
01:02:05,751 --> 01:02:08,041
that any popsicle can survive

1283
01:02:08,042 --> 01:02:10,917
if its music is exposed on MTV

1284
01:02:10,918 --> 01:02:12,750
and on radio playlists.

1285
01:02:15,042 --> 01:02:17,249
Joel and I were friendly
at the time,

1286
01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:19,666
and Joel's career
was just starting.

1287
01:02:19,667 --> 01:02:22,750
He was getting well-known
in all the studios

1288
01:02:22,751 --> 01:02:26,041
and he said we should do
a movie with Billy.

1289
01:02:26,042 --> 01:02:27,584
He's perfect for it.

1290
01:02:35,125 --> 01:02:38,041
So we went out to LA
to talk about making a film,

1291
01:02:38,042 --> 01:02:39,791
and on the plane ride
out there,

1292
01:02:39,792 --> 01:02:42,125
I read this Nik Cohn book,
King Death.

1293
01:02:43,876 --> 01:02:46,208
The character is actually,

1294
01:02:46,209 --> 01:02:48,459
he's performing death
on television.

1295
01:02:49,792 --> 01:02:52,082
It's really
an allegorical tale

1296
01:02:52,083 --> 01:02:54,791
of, like, Elvis,
but he's an assassin.

1297
01:02:56,542 --> 01:02:58,667
Rock and roll assassin.

1298
01:02:59,125 --> 01:03:00,541
Where could that go wrong?

1299
01:03:00,542 --> 01:03:01,958
Remember,
this is the mid-'80s.

1300
01:03:01,959 --> 01:03:04,041
I really didn't think
it would fly at all

1301
01:03:04,042 --> 01:03:06,417
but, uh, Joel Silver loved it.

1302
01:03:06,792 --> 01:03:08,791
The potential
in soundtrack sales

1303
01:03:08,792 --> 01:03:11,124
was first seen
with Saturday Night Fever

1304
01:03:11,125 --> 01:03:14,459
at 15 million and then Grease
at 11 million.

1305
01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:18,416
Nik Cohn had written
Saturday Night Fever.

1306
01:03:18,417 --> 01:03:20,458
He had that.
When you mention his name,

1307
01:03:20,459 --> 01:03:21,958
and just mention
Saturday Night Fever,

1308
01:03:21,959 --> 01:03:24,209
he had all that
kind of behind him.

1309
01:03:26,959 --> 01:03:29,958
Joel Silver has
a series of meetings lined up

1310
01:03:29,959 --> 01:03:31,374
with the heads of each studio.

1311
01:03:31,375 --> 01:03:34,041
And Billy comes in
in full Billy regalia.

1312
01:03:34,042 --> 01:03:37,958
We sit there with the big guy
at 20th Century Fox.

1313
01:03:37,959 --> 01:03:39,333
And Billy is just,

1314
01:03:39,334 --> 01:03:40,917
"Yeah,
it's this allegorical tale."

1315
01:03:40,918 --> 01:03:44,375
It's the same rap that
we worked out on the plane.

1316
01:03:45,918 --> 01:03:48,291
As we're leaving 20th Century,

1317
01:03:48,292 --> 01:03:50,167
they're offering
a development deal.

1318
01:03:50,501 --> 01:03:52,708
And as we're going
into our next meeting,

1319
01:03:52,709 --> 01:03:54,249
I think it was at Universal,

1320
01:03:54,250 --> 01:03:56,374
they're on the phone
when Joel gets there,

1321
01:03:56,375 --> 01:03:57,500
saying,
"Look, we might be able

1322
01:03:57,501 --> 01:03:58,999
to do more than
a development deal."

1323
01:04:02,417 --> 01:04:04,333
The more we went
around these film companies,

1324
01:04:04,334 --> 01:04:07,417
the next place we got to,
there was already a deal.

1325
01:04:08,792 --> 01:04:12,124
We go in and do the
same exact pitch to Universal,

1326
01:04:12,125 --> 01:04:15,417
and they go, "Yup.
We'll give you ten million.

1327
01:04:16,167 --> 01:04:17,333
Right there.

1328
01:04:17,334 --> 01:04:19,166
And we'll work out something

1329
01:04:19,167 --> 01:04:21,291
on the soundtrack
with Chrysalis."

1330
01:04:21,292 --> 01:04:23,082
Never have acted in my life.

1331
01:04:23,083 --> 01:04:25,958
But I'm getting money
for a film and stuff.

1332
01:04:25,959 --> 01:04:27,708
I've probably got more control

1333
01:04:27,709 --> 01:04:29,459
than most actors have.

1334
01:04:29,834 --> 01:04:31,999
Which is ridiculous.
Ridiculous.

1335
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,875
Yet that's what I got.

1336
01:04:33,876 --> 01:04:36,042
So I'm gonna take it.

1337
01:04:37,626 --> 01:04:39,999
King Death
took Billy out to LA

1338
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,417
for I don't know
how many months.

1339
01:04:41,751 --> 01:04:43,875
You couldn't get him
on the phone

1340
01:04:43,876 --> 01:04:46,333
and yet there was an album
that was to be delivered

1341
01:04:46,334 --> 01:04:49,208
and was great expectations
behind it.

1342
01:04:53,709 --> 01:04:54,999
About halfway through

1343
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,875
trying to do
the King Death movie,

1344
01:04:56,876 --> 01:04:59,209
Bill Aucoin
started smoking crack.

1345
01:05:00,709 --> 01:05:03,917
He took the movie idea away
from Joel Silver

1346
01:05:03,918 --> 01:05:07,250
and started to try and do it
as an independent movie.

1347
01:05:07,709 --> 01:05:09,375
So basically
it never got made.

1348
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,334
Joel Silver said, "You'll never
work in this town again!"

1349
01:05:14,918 --> 01:05:16,500
Exact... I swear.

1350
01:05:16,501 --> 01:05:19,208
Used that exact trite
Hollywood phrase

1351
01:05:19,209 --> 01:05:20,750
when the whole thing
went down.

1352
01:05:24,918 --> 01:05:27,459
Bill just
kind of lost his way.

1353
01:05:28,209 --> 01:05:32,458
You know, and it's no secret
that Bill liked to party.

1354
01:05:32,459 --> 01:05:33,791
And, um...

1355
01:05:33,792 --> 01:05:36,500
And, you know, Billy and I
used to always say,

1356
01:05:36,501 --> 01:05:38,416
"Yeah, but we're the ones
that are supposed--

1357
01:05:38,417 --> 01:05:40,625
We can't be responsible
for the manager.

1358
01:05:40,626 --> 01:05:42,208
You know? We're the ones
that are supposed

1359
01:05:42,209 --> 01:05:43,292
to be getting fucked up."

1360
01:05:44,918 --> 01:05:46,750
I don't know
if it's something about him

1361
01:05:46,751 --> 01:05:49,918
fucking up that movie
and it not working,

1362
01:05:50,417 --> 01:05:52,625
but after that,
Bill Aucoin disappeared

1363
01:05:52,626 --> 01:05:54,083
from my life basically.

1364
01:05:56,959 --> 01:05:59,918
So Billy eventually
came back to New York,

1365
01:06:00,292 --> 01:06:03,416
but I could tell
that the drugs had really...

1366
01:06:03,417 --> 01:06:06,667
it made it difficult
for him to function.

1367
01:06:07,292 --> 01:06:09,333
Yeah, I was getting
pretty fucked up.

1368
01:06:09,334 --> 01:06:12,209
And it was getting
more obvious.

1369
01:06:12,667 --> 01:06:14,583
I was then informed
by his attorney

1370
01:06:14,584 --> 01:06:17,166
that Freddy DeMann,
who was Madonna's manager,

1371
01:06:17,167 --> 01:06:18,417
was gonna be taking over.

1372
01:06:19,626 --> 01:06:20,958
I was kind of perplexed

1373
01:06:20,959 --> 01:06:24,333
because I was more
of a pop guy at that time.

1374
01:06:24,334 --> 01:06:27,374
I managed Michael Jackson,
Madonna.

1375
01:06:27,375 --> 01:06:30,958
And I know that Billy
had severe drug problems

1376
01:06:30,959 --> 01:06:34,166
and that's probably why
I was called in.

1377
01:06:34,167 --> 01:06:38,249
I think the drugs
really put that thing

1378
01:06:38,250 --> 01:06:40,292
into the mix
that you don't need.

1379
01:06:40,709 --> 01:06:42,291
It just makes life hell.

1380
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,541
You know, sometimes Billy
would become a demon.

1381
01:06:46,542 --> 01:06:48,833
He would just lash out
at anybody.

1382
01:06:50,667 --> 01:06:52,041
He turned into...

1383
01:06:52,042 --> 01:06:53,167
Zuul!

1384
01:06:54,167 --> 01:06:55,833
...what we called Zuul.

1385
01:06:55,834 --> 01:06:58,082
I think that's the monster
in Ghostbusters.

1386
01:06:58,083 --> 01:06:59,625
Does anybody want
to play Parcheesi?

1387
01:07:01,626 --> 01:07:03,082
It's some kind of demon.

1388
01:07:03,083 --> 01:07:04,541
Okay, who brought the dog?

1389
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,750
And he would eventually
slide down to the ground

1390
01:07:10,751 --> 01:07:13,041
and end up in a corner
and we'd just leave him.

1391
01:07:13,042 --> 01:07:14,541
And then he'd be going...

1392
01:07:14,542 --> 01:07:15,999
..."Pick me up."

1393
01:07:19,125 --> 01:07:20,583
To anybody that walked past...

1394
01:07:20,584 --> 01:07:22,374
..."Oi! Pick me up."

1395
01:07:22,375 --> 01:07:23,999
Nobody would pick him up,

1396
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,583
because we didn't want him
around us.

1397
01:07:25,584 --> 01:07:27,625
He was in his demon mode.

1398
01:07:34,375 --> 01:07:38,000
I actually caught Billy in
a hotel once with two girls.

1399
01:07:38,501 --> 01:07:41,541
I knocked on the room
and said, "Room service."

1400
01:07:41,542 --> 01:07:43,999
He opened the door and there's
two naked girls behind him.

1401
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,249
He was so furious
that he got caught.

1402
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:48,958
Slammed the door in my face,
called security on me.

1403
01:07:48,959 --> 01:07:51,249
They escorted me
out of the hotel.

1404
01:07:51,250 --> 01:07:53,041
And when I got back
to our apartment,

1405
01:07:53,042 --> 01:07:57,249
Brendan was there with a guy
changing the locks on me.

1406
01:07:57,250 --> 01:07:58,583
I said, "Wait a minute.

1407
01:07:58,584 --> 01:08:00,666
I'm the one that caught him
with two birds,

1408
01:08:00,667 --> 01:08:02,708
not he didn't catch me
with two guys,

1409
01:08:02,709 --> 01:08:04,583
and you're changing the locks
on me?

1410
01:08:04,584 --> 01:08:05,666
How dare you!"

1411
01:08:05,667 --> 01:08:08,459
I was so furious.

1412
01:08:09,751 --> 01:08:11,208
I could never see
anything wrong

1413
01:08:11,209 --> 01:08:12,875
in hanging out all night long
with people.

1414
01:08:12,876 --> 01:08:15,249
I could just-- and listening
to music in dance clubs,

1415
01:08:15,250 --> 01:08:16,209
rock clubs.

1416
01:08:16,626 --> 01:08:19,124
Uh... I go to the pictures,
I have sex with people.

1417
01:08:19,125 --> 01:08:21,209
I don't see what's wrong
with being a social person.

1418
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:27,625
And then the worst thing
that could possibly happen,

1419
01:08:27,626 --> 01:08:30,792
his drug dealer moved
into the apartment next door.

1420
01:08:31,375 --> 01:08:33,708
So he didn't even have
to go anywhere.

1421
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:35,416
He would just bang on the wall

1422
01:08:35,417 --> 01:08:37,082
and the guy just came in
and brought it.

1423
01:08:37,083 --> 01:08:39,417
I mean, you know,
talk about death.

1424
01:08:39,959 --> 01:08:43,166
So he was cooking up coke
in sauce pans.

1425
01:08:43,167 --> 01:08:45,458
It was exploding
all over the place.

1426
01:08:45,459 --> 01:08:46,750
He was spending a fortune

1427
01:08:46,751 --> 01:08:49,041
and the management
just kept on giving him money.

1428
01:08:49,042 --> 01:08:50,667
And I thought, "Nobody cares."

1429
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,625
I thought, "This is not
gonna get any better.

1430
01:08:55,626 --> 01:08:56,876
I've got to go now."

1431
01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:59,459
While I'm still young enough.

1432
01:09:04,959 --> 01:09:06,750
I remember going
to the studio,

1433
01:09:06,751 --> 01:09:08,918
and Billy,
he'd never be there.

1434
01:09:09,417 --> 01:09:11,625
And I was finding it
more and more difficult

1435
01:09:11,626 --> 01:09:13,083
to get hold of him.

1436
01:09:13,667 --> 01:09:17,042
Sometimes
Billy and I, we got crazy.

1437
01:09:17,542 --> 01:09:19,625
I'm supposed to be the producer
and the guy in charge

1438
01:09:19,626 --> 01:09:21,791
and I kind of went down
the road with him a bit.

1439
01:09:21,792 --> 01:09:25,375
And, uh, I lost the reins
a couple of times.

1440
01:09:28,834 --> 01:09:30,833
One day, I went down
to try and get hold of him.

1441
01:09:30,834 --> 01:09:33,500
This is after now a few weeks
where I hadn't seen him,

1442
01:09:33,501 --> 01:09:34,584
hadn't heard from him.

1443
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,709
And, um, I had a key
to his place.

1444
01:09:40,292 --> 01:09:42,751
So I remember going
into his apartment.

1445
01:09:43,375 --> 01:09:45,374
There was a New York
sort of local paper

1446
01:09:45,375 --> 01:09:46,958
called The Soho Weekly.

1447
01:09:46,959 --> 01:09:49,124
And I remember it was
opened up at the back

1448
01:09:49,125 --> 01:09:51,209
where there was like escorts,
you know...

1449
01:09:51,626 --> 01:09:54,917
and there was one big phone
number that was very obvious,

1450
01:09:54,918 --> 01:09:56,833
so I remember I called
that number,

1451
01:09:56,834 --> 01:10:00,083
it was the Parker Meridien,
which was a hotel up Midtown.

1452
01:10:00,542 --> 01:10:02,458
So I said,
"Is William Broad there?"

1453
01:10:02,459 --> 01:10:03,999
And that was obviously
his real name.

1454
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,041
And they said, "Yes, sir.
Putting you right through."

1455
01:10:06,042 --> 01:10:07,709
I thought, "Alright.
I know where he is."

1456
01:10:11,167 --> 01:10:13,082
What I was trying to do,

1457
01:10:13,083 --> 01:10:14,791
I was trying
to get off heroin.

1458
01:10:19,792 --> 01:10:23,918
And, um, it was only when
I really tried to give up heroin

1459
01:10:24,334 --> 01:10:26,166
that I did start
to smoke crack.

1460
01:10:28,083 --> 01:10:31,249
And, um, yeah,
it was a nightmare, really.

1461
01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:32,626
I mean, it was horrible

1462
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:35,000
'cause I was seeing
and hearing things.

1463
01:10:41,667 --> 01:10:43,917
Like people in the next room
talking about me

1464
01:10:43,918 --> 01:10:45,249
or above me.

1465
01:10:48,501 --> 01:10:50,041
So I actually called up
this friend of mine,

1466
01:10:50,042 --> 01:10:52,082
said, "Man, there's all
these voices next door.

1467
01:10:52,083 --> 01:10:53,375
Would you come around?"

1468
01:10:57,083 --> 01:10:58,917
I open the door to him,
you know.

1469
01:10:58,918 --> 01:11:01,000
Went, "Come on, man.
Let's do a fucking hit."

1470
01:11:04,876 --> 01:11:07,082
And I was going,
"I'm hearing all this stuff

1471
01:11:07,083 --> 01:11:08,750
and seeing all these things."

1472
01:11:08,751 --> 01:11:10,124
And as we were talking,

1473
01:11:10,125 --> 01:11:11,626
I was kinda going...

1474
01:11:12,125 --> 01:11:14,917
"Hey, man, can you see that
shadow underneath the door?"

1475
01:11:14,918 --> 01:11:17,124
And he went...

1476
01:11:17,125 --> 01:11:18,250
..."Yeah, I can see it."

1477
01:11:18,792 --> 01:11:21,750
"Fuck, there's gotta be someone
standing outside the door."

1478
01:11:23,292 --> 01:11:25,626
He went, "There can't be
anybody there."

1479
01:11:26,125 --> 01:11:27,667
So I said, "Come on.

1480
01:11:28,042 --> 01:11:29,791
Let's tip-toe towards the door

1481
01:11:29,792 --> 01:11:31,083
and fucking pull it open."

1482
01:11:31,459 --> 01:11:33,249
So we got
to the front door and...

1483
01:11:37,751 --> 01:11:39,166
Pulls open the door,

1484
01:11:39,167 --> 01:11:40,791
and fuck me stiff
if there wasn't a bloke

1485
01:11:40,792 --> 01:11:43,124
six foot fucking tall
standing with a beard

1486
01:11:43,125 --> 01:11:44,291
kinda going like that.

1487
01:11:44,292 --> 01:11:45,500
You know what I mean?

1488
01:11:45,501 --> 01:11:47,333
And I went, slammed the door
and I went,

1489
01:11:47,334 --> 01:11:48,583
"Fuck! Don't ever tell me

1490
01:11:48,584 --> 01:11:50,249
there isn't
fucking someone out there

1491
01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:52,416
fucking listening
to what we're doing!

1492
01:11:52,417 --> 01:11:53,666
That's it! Give me the stuff!"

1493
01:11:53,667 --> 01:11:55,833
"I'm not stopping!"

1494
01:11:59,334 --> 01:12:01,625
So the next day,

1495
01:12:01,626 --> 01:12:03,291
I went up to the hotel

1496
01:12:03,292 --> 01:12:05,667
and I went up to the room
and I knocked on the door.

1497
01:12:06,042 --> 01:12:08,709
And he was really surprised
to see me.

1498
01:12:09,292 --> 01:12:11,917
He looked like a guy
who hadn't slept in weeks.

1499
01:12:13,918 --> 01:12:15,249
He said, "Listen!"

1500
01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:17,250
And he had me listen
to the wall.

1501
01:12:17,834 --> 01:12:19,583
And I guess
he was hearing things

1502
01:12:19,584 --> 01:12:23,042
and I remember thinking,
"This guy is off his rocker."

1503
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,333
Shortly after that,

1504
01:12:26,334 --> 01:12:28,291
we convinced him
that he needed to go

1505
01:12:28,292 --> 01:12:30,541
into Beth Israel Hospital.

1506
01:12:30,542 --> 01:12:32,751
It was basically a detox.

1507
01:12:33,167 --> 01:12:35,999
And essentially,
for like three or four days,

1508
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,541
he just slept.

1509
01:12:37,542 --> 01:12:39,166
I remember going in there
every day

1510
01:12:39,167 --> 01:12:40,541
just to check in on him.

1511
01:12:40,542 --> 01:12:42,124
He was never awake
when I was there.

1512
01:12:42,125 --> 01:12:44,249
But as long as he was there,
I felt like

1513
01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:45,501
at least he wasn't
in any trouble.

1514
01:12:47,459 --> 01:12:49,208
And then I remember going
in there,

1515
01:12:49,209 --> 01:12:51,542
I think it was the fourth
or fifth day,

1516
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,458
as I got off the elevator,

1517
01:12:53,459 --> 01:12:54,666
as soon as that door opened,

1518
01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:56,167
he came straight in.

1519
01:12:56,501 --> 01:12:59,209
So I didn't recognize
who he was.

1520
01:12:59,542 --> 01:13:02,041
But as the doors closed
on the elevator,

1521
01:13:02,042 --> 01:13:03,667
I realized it was him.

1522
01:13:07,083 --> 01:13:09,124
So I'd had a bit of a...

1523
01:13:09,125 --> 01:13:10,917
basically a psychotic break.

1524
01:13:10,918 --> 01:13:12,041
They put me in hospital.

1525
01:13:12,042 --> 01:13:13,583
Once, after a few days,

1526
01:13:13,584 --> 01:13:16,583
you started to be normal,
you just said to yourself,

1527
01:13:16,584 --> 01:13:18,417
"I was just doing
a bit too much."

1528
01:13:19,042 --> 01:13:20,250
And so I...

1529
01:13:20,792 --> 01:13:24,209
And I went and ran for it.

1530
01:13:28,125 --> 01:13:31,375
Someone in that
hospital knew Billy's mother...

1531
01:13:33,209 --> 01:13:35,082
...and had put a call in
to the Broad household,

1532
01:13:35,083 --> 01:13:36,501
his parents in London.

1533
01:13:39,918 --> 01:13:41,541
That's really where, um,

1534
01:13:41,542 --> 01:13:44,959
his parents caught wind
that he was in trouble.

1535
01:13:47,417 --> 01:13:49,750
And his dad called
at four in the morning,

1536
01:13:49,751 --> 01:13:52,500
and he said,
"I'm flying out today.

1537
01:13:52,501 --> 01:13:54,250
I'll see you
later on tonight."

1538
01:14:00,501 --> 01:14:02,124
Dad came to New York

1539
01:14:02,125 --> 01:14:04,041
in the last stages
of the Whiplash Smile album.

1540
01:14:04,042 --> 01:14:06,959
He came off the plane
with a big stick, you know.

1541
01:14:07,584 --> 01:14:09,750
And I said, "Hello, Dad.
Why have you brought that?"

1542
01:14:09,751 --> 01:14:12,166
He said,
"I'm gonna beat you with it."

1543
01:14:13,959 --> 01:14:16,124
'Cause he was here to,
you know...

1544
01:14:17,667 --> 01:14:19,834
...take command of everything.
I don't know.

1545
01:14:23,042 --> 01:14:25,083
I needed him to come, really.

1546
01:14:25,501 --> 01:14:29,083
And sort of, you know, maybe
wake me up a little bit.

1547
01:14:30,250 --> 01:14:33,209
'Cause I did need somebody to...

1548
01:14:33,667 --> 01:14:35,291
to show they cared, you know.

1549
01:14:35,292 --> 01:14:38,000
More than just about
what record I was putting out.

1550
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,417
But there's a big part of me
fighting it as well, you know.

1551
01:14:45,042 --> 01:14:46,917
The William Broad part of me

1552
01:14:46,918 --> 01:14:49,000
probably wanted him to come.

1553
01:14:49,334 --> 01:14:51,166
The Billy Idol part of me

1554
01:14:51,167 --> 01:14:53,083
probably didn't want him
to come.

1555
01:14:57,876 --> 01:15:00,500
Mr. Broad was
in New York for three weeks,

1556
01:15:00,501 --> 01:15:03,459
and in that three weeks,
Billy straightened up.

1557
01:15:04,501 --> 01:15:06,333
I think while his father
was here,

1558
01:15:06,334 --> 01:15:07,541
I think he stopped doing

1559
01:15:07,542 --> 01:15:09,500
the amount of drugs
he was doing.

1560
01:15:09,501 --> 01:15:11,875
I'm not gonna say
that he stopped completely.

1561
01:15:11,876 --> 01:15:14,876
I think he tried to put
a good facade on it.

1562
01:15:15,751 --> 01:15:18,875
I think being around his son,
Mr. Broad started to realize

1563
01:15:18,876 --> 01:15:22,292
that things were happening
that he had no idea.

1564
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:28,208
My dad is really
the reason

1565
01:15:28,209 --> 01:15:30,125
I'm in New York
in the first place.

1566
01:15:31,542 --> 01:15:34,667
In fact, my first memories
are really of America.

1567
01:15:35,626 --> 01:15:37,291
When I was a little kid,

1568
01:15:37,292 --> 01:15:40,125
my dad had got a job as
a sales manager of a laundry.

1569
01:15:40,542 --> 01:15:42,999
They serviced hotels
and everything.

1570
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,374
It was quite a big deal.

1571
01:15:44,375 --> 01:15:47,541
So we moved
to Patchogue, Long Island.

1572
01:15:50,083 --> 01:15:52,375
I was tiny.
I was three or four.

1573
01:15:53,584 --> 01:15:55,417
I was that little
and I remember

1574
01:15:56,334 --> 01:15:57,999
being knocked out, you know.

1575
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,375
Because America's booming,
everything's technicolor.

1576
01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:03,875
It's like Walt Disney a bit,
you know.

1577
01:16:03,876 --> 01:16:06,292
Like the cars with the fins.

1578
01:16:10,876 --> 01:16:12,958
I saw the young Elvis.

1579
01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:15,291
They showed
his television performances.

1580
01:16:15,292 --> 01:16:17,709
And that was it.
I went, "Wow."

1581
01:16:19,042 --> 01:16:22,208
I mean, the thing was,
I was born in 1955,

1582
01:16:22,209 --> 01:16:24,958
and really, Elvis made
his first record in '54.

1583
01:16:24,959 --> 01:16:27,792
So you're kind of growing up
with rock and roll.

1584
01:16:42,042 --> 01:16:44,249
Another big thing that was
happening in America

1585
01:16:44,250 --> 01:16:45,876
when I was there was Kennedy.

1586
01:16:46,918 --> 01:16:48,750
He was on the campaign trail.

1587
01:16:48,751 --> 01:16:51,167
My mother followed him.
My mom and dad.

1588
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:53,291
We went and stood
at these crossroads

1589
01:16:53,292 --> 01:16:55,626
and he came by
and he actually waved at us.

1590
01:16:56,167 --> 01:16:58,082
Kennedy showed you
the man with charisma

1591
01:16:58,083 --> 01:16:59,292
could rule the world.

1592
01:17:23,792 --> 01:17:26,333
When Mr. Broad
was in New York,

1593
01:17:26,334 --> 01:17:28,291
he sat down with me and said,

1594
01:17:28,292 --> 01:17:31,166
"Brendan, you're no longer
gonna be involved

1595
01:17:31,167 --> 01:17:32,458
in Billy's management."

1596
01:17:35,209 --> 01:17:36,501
"From what I understand...

1597
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,501
you're his drug dealer."

1598
01:17:41,834 --> 01:17:44,666
That was, to me,
a little bit of a betrayal.

1599
01:17:44,667 --> 01:17:47,792
All I'd ever done was help him
in any way I could.

1600
01:17:49,459 --> 01:17:51,918
They didn't want me
involved going forward.

1601
01:17:52,042 --> 01:17:54,541
So I was paid
a little bit of money

1602
01:17:54,542 --> 01:17:56,875
to go away,
and I signed this agreement

1603
01:17:56,876 --> 01:17:58,374
that I wouldn't go
to the press

1604
01:17:58,375 --> 01:17:59,875
or, you know, tell stories.

1605
01:17:59,876 --> 01:18:02,666
And to this day, I've held
my side of the bargain.

1606
01:18:02,667 --> 01:18:05,041
This is the first time I've
spoken anything about this

1607
01:18:05,042 --> 01:18:06,459
since like 1986.

1608
01:18:08,667 --> 01:18:11,791
My dad believed
everybody was a drug dealer.

1609
01:18:13,042 --> 01:18:15,333
So-- 'cause he got involved
in my business

1610
01:18:15,334 --> 01:18:17,124
and everything,
which was great, actually.

1611
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:18,333
That was the fun part of it,

1612
01:18:18,334 --> 01:18:19,625
'cause he's frightening
all these

1613
01:18:19,626 --> 01:18:21,000
business people to death.

1614
01:18:23,459 --> 01:18:28,417
His father was
a very, very difficult guy.

1615
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,334
And I realized that that
contributed to Billy's...

1616
01:18:34,459 --> 01:18:36,083
instability, let's say.

1617
01:18:37,584 --> 01:18:39,875
I had to kind of put
a little break

1618
01:18:39,876 --> 01:18:41,082
on what I was doing,

1619
01:18:41,083 --> 01:18:43,417
enough
to where I was surviving.

1620
01:18:44,375 --> 01:18:45,918
And then carrying on.

1621
01:18:46,417 --> 01:18:48,333
You know, so my dad helped me

1622
01:18:48,334 --> 01:18:50,459
and I was able to carry on,
you know.

1623
01:18:51,876 --> 01:18:54,541
It is a long time since we
heard something new from you.

1624
01:18:54,542 --> 01:18:56,875
Why has it taken so long
for Whiplash to come out?

1625
01:18:56,876 --> 01:18:58,917
I think... it's 1986,

1626
01:18:58,918 --> 01:19:00,999
we've had, what,
30 years of rock and roll.

1627
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,208
I think if you want to make
a great album these days,

1628
01:19:03,209 --> 01:19:04,750
you gotta take time to do it.

1629
01:19:04,751 --> 01:19:07,708
You were supposedly, according
to the press reports,

1630
01:19:07,709 --> 01:19:10,876
dead through drugs
or dying through AIDS.

1631
01:19:11,334 --> 01:19:13,208
Yeah, that's right. A-Y-D-S.

1632
01:19:13,209 --> 01:19:15,042
Another year of dodgy sex.

1633
01:19:16,167 --> 01:19:17,458
I disappeared for a while

1634
01:19:17,459 --> 01:19:19,208
because I wanted to make
a good album.

1635
01:19:19,209 --> 01:19:21,583
And in the States,
sometimes people think

1636
01:19:21,584 --> 01:19:22,708
that means you're dead.

1637
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:24,792
But I'm very much alive
and kicking.

1638
01:19:27,167 --> 01:19:30,791
Billy Idol's new album
Whiplash Smile is here.

1639
01:19:30,792 --> 01:19:32,208
And it's hot.

1640
01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:33,500
♪ Forgot to be a lover ♪

1641
01:19:33,501 --> 01:19:34,500
♪ Have mercy ♪

1642
01:19:34,501 --> 01:19:36,291
♪ Forgot to be a lover ♪

1643
01:19:41,584 --> 01:19:44,583
..."To Be A Lover."
Here's Billy Idol!

1644
01:19:44,584 --> 01:19:46,166
♪ Well... ♪

1645
01:19:46,167 --> 01:19:48,999
♪ When I realize
that you need love too ♪

1646
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,541
♪ I'm gonna spend my life
making love to you ♪

1647
01:19:51,542 --> 01:19:53,082
♪ Forgot to be a lover ♪

1648
01:19:56,334 --> 01:19:59,791
The Whiplash Smile Tour
was a massive success.

1649
01:20:02,834 --> 01:20:05,374
We played places like
the Forum

1650
01:20:05,375 --> 01:20:06,999
and Madison Square Garden.

1651
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,082
Oh!

1652
01:20:08,083 --> 01:20:09,625
♪ Wop bop a lu bop ♪

1653
01:20:09,626 --> 01:20:11,333
♪ Yeah, you gotta move up ♪

1654
01:20:11,334 --> 01:20:14,208
♪ Flip flop fly ♪

1655
01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:16,666
Everything just went more mega,
that's what happened.

1656
01:20:16,667 --> 01:20:20,792
♪ Oh, what a story
Dreams to buy ♪

1657
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:24,584
It really did.
It went more mega.

1658
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,500
I was very cavalier
about drug-taking.

1659
01:20:35,501 --> 01:20:38,500
And I started to realize it
was changing my personality,

1660
01:20:38,501 --> 01:20:40,417
perverting me, in a way.

1661
01:20:40,834 --> 01:20:43,666
And destroying reputation, maybe.

1662
01:20:43,667 --> 01:20:45,792
And destroying
my personal relationships.

1663
01:20:47,459 --> 01:20:49,501
But it takes a lot...

1664
01:20:49,959 --> 01:20:53,666
to sort of let your real
personality take back control.

1665
01:20:53,667 --> 01:20:56,626
It takes a lot more
than you think.

1666
01:20:58,459 --> 01:21:00,000
That's the trouble.

1667
01:21:01,626 --> 01:21:05,959
And so, I started to look
around New York and think,

1668
01:21:06,459 --> 01:21:08,500
well, maybe it's time
to go somewhere else.

1669
01:21:10,209 --> 01:21:12,791
And maybe putting a bit
more distance between

1670
01:21:12,792 --> 01:21:14,959
me and the drugs.

1671
01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:18,208
And you know, when you start
to think about it, you go,

1672
01:21:18,209 --> 01:21:20,082
"Yeah, if we just move
to Los Angeles..."

1673
01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:24,374
You know, 'cause
a lot of people I knew,

1674
01:21:24,375 --> 01:21:26,166
Jonesy, Steve Jones,

1675
01:21:26,167 --> 01:21:29,250
he was cleaning up
and had moved to Los Angeles.

1676
01:21:30,375 --> 01:21:31,875
Hi, my name's Steve Jones.

1677
01:21:31,876 --> 01:21:34,876
I used to play guitar with
a band called the Sex Pistols.

1678
01:21:35,292 --> 01:21:38,626
A good friend of mine,
Sid Vicious, died from drugs.

1679
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,709
I nearly died from drugs.

1680
01:21:42,501 --> 01:21:44,082
Drugs suck.

1681
01:21:45,542 --> 01:21:46,917
They were all
riding cycles,

1682
01:21:46,918 --> 01:21:48,625
you know,
living in the daylight,

1683
01:21:48,626 --> 01:21:51,167
as we were living a vampire
existence at night, you know.

1684
01:21:54,167 --> 01:21:56,291
So we decided to move
to Los Angeles

1685
01:21:56,292 --> 01:21:57,292
and let's have a child.

1686
01:21:59,876 --> 01:22:02,292
Feel it! Feel it!

1687
01:22:02,876 --> 01:22:06,167
When we moved
to California, we changed.

1688
01:22:06,542 --> 01:22:09,082
My business changed.
I got a new manager.

1689
01:22:09,083 --> 01:22:12,709
Tony Dimitriades,
who was, for a start, British.

1690
01:22:13,083 --> 01:22:15,667
Tony had a massive effect
on my career.

1691
01:22:16,042 --> 01:22:18,918
And still does, really,
to this day.

1692
01:22:19,542 --> 01:22:21,875
We wanted to have a baby,
so I got healthy.

1693
01:22:21,876 --> 01:22:23,750
Billy got healthy.
He got a trainer.

1694
01:22:23,751 --> 01:22:25,375
He got really fit.

1695
01:22:25,751 --> 01:22:28,667
And then she said to me,
"I'm pregnant."

1696
01:22:29,167 --> 01:22:31,500
And that's what we wanted,
so it was perfect.

1697
01:22:31,501 --> 01:22:33,458
I was so happy
when I was pregnant,

1698
01:22:33,459 --> 01:22:35,583
because Billy treated me like
an absolute princess.

1699
01:22:35,584 --> 01:22:38,751
And all I did was eat
and look for a house to buy.

1700
01:22:39,125 --> 01:22:41,834
The perfect nesting job,
you know.

1701
01:22:42,417 --> 01:22:44,458
So we found
this fabulous house.

1702
01:22:44,459 --> 01:22:46,458
It was in the middle
of the Hollywood Hills.

1703
01:22:46,459 --> 01:22:48,500
And as we went through
the gates, I went...

1704
01:22:48,501 --> 01:22:50,791
..."Billy, this is it.
This is the house.

1705
01:22:50,792 --> 01:22:52,500
This is what we've
been looking for."

1706
01:22:52,501 --> 01:22:55,166
And it's got that little
cottage across the bridge

1707
01:22:55,167 --> 01:22:56,667
from the pool.

1708
01:22:57,584 --> 01:22:59,750
So we moved in

1709
01:22:59,751 --> 01:23:01,625
when Willem was a week old.

1710
01:23:04,459 --> 01:23:08,000
Willem was born in '88.
So that was exciting.

1711
01:23:09,584 --> 01:23:11,249
It was a nice side of things.

1712
01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:15,083
It sort of brought a bit
of normality into our lives.

1713
01:23:17,083 --> 01:23:19,500
When Willem was little,
he was such a great dad.

1714
01:23:19,501 --> 01:23:20,459
He really was.

1715
01:23:21,834 --> 01:23:24,791
Some great pictures of Billy
just looking at Willem.

1716
01:23:24,792 --> 01:23:27,626
Like, mmm!
You know, just-just adoration.

1717
01:23:29,209 --> 01:23:30,751
Having a child,

1718
01:23:31,125 --> 01:23:33,708
it's like changing
complete direction.

1719
01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:37,166
Instead of just being
about yourself,

1720
01:23:37,167 --> 01:23:39,333
you know, you really did
have to think about

1721
01:23:39,334 --> 01:23:41,250
how your life affects them.

1722
01:23:44,959 --> 01:23:47,458
I mean, it was great,
but it wasn't so easy

1723
01:23:47,459 --> 01:23:48,999
as time went on.

1724
01:23:51,876 --> 01:23:55,249
Because I was kind of
one week being Willem's dad,

1725
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:58,918
and one week being Billy Idol,
if you know what I mean.

1726
01:23:59,334 --> 01:24:01,917
Hey, buddy!
We're here at Tropicana.

1727
01:24:01,918 --> 01:24:05,625
It's Billy Idol's party
and it's gonna be stunning.

1728
01:24:07,042 --> 01:24:08,999
He's a wild man,
and he's for real.

1729
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,917
- He's got style.
- He's Billy.

1730
01:24:10,918 --> 01:24:13,458
He was staying out
for four days at a time.

1731
01:24:13,459 --> 01:24:17,208
And his roadie, Art,
had a house in the Valley

1732
01:24:17,209 --> 01:24:19,875
that he used to fill
with groupies and drugs.

1733
01:24:19,876 --> 01:24:21,708
Yeah!

1734
01:24:21,709 --> 01:24:23,208
Billy's just like a machine

1735
01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:25,667
'cause we would party
all night, almost every night.

1736
01:24:26,125 --> 01:24:29,041
Part of my job was to let him
party close to the edge

1737
01:24:29,042 --> 01:24:31,374
but be able to pull him back
and bring him home safely,

1738
01:24:31,375 --> 01:24:32,459
which I did.

1739
01:24:38,876 --> 01:24:40,750
My mother was in town

1740
01:24:40,751 --> 01:24:42,416
and Billy said,
"What are you doing today?"

1741
01:24:42,417 --> 01:24:43,999
I said, "I'm gonna take
my mum for lunch

1742
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,833
as soon as Willem wakes up."

1743
01:24:45,834 --> 01:24:48,082
We had put Willem in the crib

1744
01:24:48,083 --> 01:24:50,082
and we'd put
the baby monitor there.

1745
01:24:50,083 --> 01:24:52,208
So he knew that there was
a baby monitor

1746
01:24:52,209 --> 01:24:53,917
sitting next to me,

1747
01:24:53,918 --> 01:24:55,166
we were sitting out
by the pool.

1748
01:24:55,167 --> 01:24:57,124
So he says, "Oh, I think
I'll go on a bike ride

1749
01:24:57,125 --> 01:24:58,416
with the boys then.
You don't mind?"

1750
01:24:58,417 --> 01:24:59,583
I went, "No, of course not."

1751
01:24:59,584 --> 01:25:01,124
So he said,
"I'll go and call Art."

1752
01:25:01,125 --> 01:25:04,166
So he goes into the house
and... what possessed him?

1753
01:25:04,167 --> 01:25:06,875
There's eight telephones
in the house

1754
01:25:06,876 --> 01:25:09,583
and he uses the one
in the room

1755
01:25:09,584 --> 01:25:12,125
with the baby monitor
and the sleeping baby.

1756
01:25:12,584 --> 01:25:14,249
I hear the whole conversation.

1757
01:25:14,250 --> 01:25:16,249
"Yeah, hi, baby. It's okay.

1758
01:25:16,250 --> 01:25:17,625
She's going to lunch
with her mum.

1759
01:25:17,626 --> 01:25:21,666
Okay, I'll pick you up around
1:30. Okay, okay, baby."

1760
01:25:21,667 --> 01:25:23,917
And I'm like...

1761
01:25:23,918 --> 01:25:26,124
So he comes out of the house
and I went,

1762
01:25:26,125 --> 01:25:27,750
"So you called Art?"

1763
01:25:27,751 --> 01:25:28,917
And he went, "Oh, yeah, yeah."

1764
01:25:28,918 --> 01:25:31,166
So I said,
"Oh, you call Art 'baby' now,

1765
01:25:31,167 --> 01:25:34,082
do you, you lying motherfucker!"

1766
01:25:34,083 --> 01:25:35,583
So we had a screaming fight

1767
01:25:35,584 --> 01:25:38,625
and I get Willem out of
the crib and he's crying.

1768
01:25:38,626 --> 01:25:40,458
I'm putting him in the car.

1769
01:25:42,334 --> 01:25:44,791
And Billy comes over
and he says, um,

1770
01:25:44,792 --> 01:25:46,666
"I've got to tell you,
it gets worse."

1771
01:25:46,667 --> 01:25:49,751
And I went, "It gets worse?
How can it get any worse?"

1772
01:25:55,709 --> 01:25:58,626
Yeah, well, I was, uh,
seeing other people.

1773
01:26:01,334 --> 01:26:04,583
The baby monitor thing
and all that.

1774
01:26:04,584 --> 01:26:07,291
I sort of put a few
of the girls together

1775
01:26:07,292 --> 01:26:09,709
as if it was all one person,
you know.

1776
01:26:10,334 --> 01:26:12,666
I did kind of go out
with this lady

1777
01:26:12,667 --> 01:26:14,584
for a few weeks, you know,

1778
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,542
and she got pregnant, really.

1779
01:26:17,542 --> 01:26:19,750
And then, of course, um,

1780
01:26:19,751 --> 01:26:22,626
I had to sort of tell Perri
about it eventually.

1781
01:26:24,918 --> 01:26:27,291
I thought, I just gotta
get away from him.

1782
01:26:27,292 --> 01:26:32,125
So I got Willem and I decided
to go to New York.

1783
01:26:33,626 --> 01:26:35,875
So, of course,
I come to find out

1784
01:26:35,876 --> 01:26:39,000
Billy and Art,
they'd gone to Bangkok.

1785
01:26:39,626 --> 01:26:41,459
I went, who does that?

1786
01:26:44,501 --> 01:26:46,124
Art...

1787
01:26:46,125 --> 01:26:49,500
...I think it was his dream
to go to Thailand.

1788
01:26:51,501 --> 01:26:54,208
We weren't gonna take
drugs or anything.

1789
01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:56,208
We started out
just drinking and stuff,

1790
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:58,416
but after a week
or so of that,

1791
01:26:58,417 --> 01:27:01,834
we asked a cab driver
if he could get us some coke.

1792
01:27:03,167 --> 01:27:06,209
But he brought back
this long, thin vial

1793
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:08,667
of this white stuff, which...

1794
01:27:09,209 --> 01:27:12,042
which when-- Art sort of
looked at me a bit like...

1795
01:27:26,250 --> 01:27:29,125
It was so strong. It was like
probably China White.

1796
01:27:30,042 --> 01:27:32,501
You only needed a-a pinprick...

1797
01:27:33,709 --> 01:27:36,917
and you were just
as high as a kite.

1798
01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:40,459
I looked like I was a ghost,
you know, like I was a zombie.

1799
01:27:41,083 --> 01:27:44,583
I had some film with us and I
destroyed the tape, you know,

1800
01:27:44,584 --> 01:27:48,791
because it was too--
it was too-- too disturbing.

1801
01:27:50,792 --> 01:27:53,459
We were out of our minds,
really, and, uh...

1802
01:27:53,959 --> 01:27:56,291
at one point,
I'd passed out in the elevator

1803
01:27:56,292 --> 01:27:57,999
with the elevator doors
closing on me

1804
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,917
and Mel Gibson was there
with his family on holiday,

1805
01:28:00,918 --> 01:28:02,291
horrified.

1806
01:28:06,876 --> 01:28:09,958
He was so bad,
I called the doctor to come,

1807
01:28:09,959 --> 01:28:12,625
you know, because
now I'm worried.

1808
01:28:12,626 --> 01:28:14,124
I said, "Can you give him
a sedative

1809
01:28:14,125 --> 01:28:15,417
so he won't wake up?"

1810
01:28:15,876 --> 01:28:17,458
He goes, "Oh, he's not
gonna wake up.

1811
01:28:17,459 --> 01:28:18,918
He's not gonna wake up."

1812
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:21,166
Sure as shit,
ten minutes later,

1813
01:28:21,167 --> 01:28:23,458
they got him on a stretcher
and in an ambulance.

1814
01:28:23,459 --> 01:28:25,458
He wakes up
and starts flipping out,

1815
01:28:25,459 --> 01:28:26,918
realizing what's going on.

1816
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:32,500
Once we started taking
this really strong heroin,

1817
01:28:32,501 --> 01:28:33,750
we had to get off of it

1818
01:28:33,751 --> 01:28:35,542
before we could get on
a plane to come back.

1819
01:28:37,667 --> 01:28:39,416
You know, you were so ill

1820
01:28:39,417 --> 01:28:40,999
because this stuff
was so strong.

1821
01:28:42,292 --> 01:28:43,666
The Bangkok pharmacies
have got

1822
01:28:43,667 --> 01:28:45,208
every kind of pill you could--

1823
01:28:45,209 --> 01:28:46,918
so we were just getting
pilled up.

1824
01:28:50,834 --> 01:28:53,416
At one point,
he would start drinking

1825
01:28:53,417 --> 01:28:55,459
and he would turn
into that monster...

1826
01:28:57,584 --> 01:29:00,417
and start smashing up
the hotel rooms.

1827
01:29:04,459 --> 01:29:07,333
It got to the point where
I was wanting him to go down.

1828
01:29:07,334 --> 01:29:09,458
He was being
such a crazy person.

1829
01:29:09,459 --> 01:29:11,833
I would crush up,
you know, Valiums and Xanax

1830
01:29:11,834 --> 01:29:14,291
and put them in his drink
and give it to him

1831
01:29:14,292 --> 01:29:15,500
to help him get knocked out,

1832
01:29:15,501 --> 01:29:16,958
but I couldn't knock him out.

1833
01:29:21,083 --> 01:29:24,208
They'd given me a ton
of downers or something,

1834
01:29:24,209 --> 01:29:26,292
but of course
it didn't last long.

1835
01:29:27,417 --> 01:29:29,291
And there was
this great big log,

1836
01:29:29,292 --> 01:29:30,999
so I picked up
this great big log

1837
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,208
and threw it through
the glass window.

1838
01:29:37,042 --> 01:29:38,791
The guy, next day,
came in and went,

1839
01:29:38,792 --> 01:29:40,374
"I'm calling the police,"
or whatever.

1840
01:29:40,375 --> 01:29:42,416
We said, "It's okay, we'll pay
you for whatever it was."

1841
01:29:42,417 --> 01:29:43,792
I think it was 20,000
or something.

1842
01:29:46,584 --> 01:29:49,583
Three hotels
he wrecked. Three of them.

1843
01:29:49,584 --> 01:29:51,834
They said they were going
to throw us in jail.

1844
01:29:53,709 --> 01:29:56,626
I think the bill was
$75,000 in damages.

1845
01:30:04,417 --> 01:30:08,751
The silver lining was
I did put heroin behind me.

1846
01:30:09,501 --> 01:30:12,416
It was too horrible.
The whole experience was--

1847
01:30:12,417 --> 01:30:14,041
It actually really put me off.

1848
01:30:18,292 --> 01:30:20,250
That's probably
a turning point...

1849
01:30:21,834 --> 01:30:24,124
'cause I didn't like
who I was anymore.

1850
01:30:25,375 --> 01:30:27,666
And that was the final straw.

1851
01:30:27,667 --> 01:30:29,709
I haven't done heroin since.

1852
01:30:33,125 --> 01:30:35,082
Getting off heroin
is one of the most

1853
01:30:35,083 --> 01:30:37,791
awfullest experiences
in the world.

1854
01:30:37,792 --> 01:30:39,875
Boy George said it right
when he said

1855
01:30:39,876 --> 01:30:42,876
it's like your skeleton trying
to get out of your body.

1856
01:30:45,417 --> 01:30:48,374
There's no quick fix.
It's such a long time.

1857
01:30:48,375 --> 01:30:52,584
You're counting the days,
the seconds, the hours.

1858
01:30:52,918 --> 01:30:55,584
Even after six months,
you still feel lousy.

1859
01:30:57,876 --> 01:31:01,584
He came back.
I heard what happened.

1860
01:31:03,292 --> 01:31:05,791
He's definitely had
nearly nine lives.

1861
01:31:05,792 --> 01:31:08,917
He's OD'd a lot,
but he always comes back.

1862
01:31:18,959 --> 01:31:21,125
Hey, Billy! Yeah!

1863
01:31:23,459 --> 01:31:25,626
I thought kicking
heroin would save me.

1864
01:31:26,792 --> 01:31:28,333
Billy!

1865
01:31:28,334 --> 01:31:30,291
That this would all be easier.

1866
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:38,500
♪ Well, ow! ♪

1867
01:31:38,501 --> 01:31:40,542
♪ Rock the cradle of love ♪

1868
01:31:41,792 --> 01:31:43,625
♪ Rock the cradle of love... ♪

1869
01:31:43,626 --> 01:31:47,333
Billy Idol's new album,
Charmed Life, is aptly named.

1870
01:31:47,334 --> 01:31:48,666
He's been rocking the charts

1871
01:31:48,667 --> 01:31:50,166
for almost a decade,
of course.

1872
01:31:50,167 --> 01:31:52,082
But ironically,
the day he finished the album,

1873
01:31:52,083 --> 01:31:54,208
he was in a near-fatal
accident.

1874
01:31:58,334 --> 01:32:00,958
We literally had just
mastered it.

1875
01:32:00,959 --> 01:32:04,750
And we were in the studio
that night getting ridiculous.

1876
01:32:04,751 --> 01:32:07,334
You know, doing our
ridiculous '80s stuff.

1877
01:32:09,626 --> 01:32:11,333
Billy didn't get any tapes,

1878
01:32:11,334 --> 01:32:13,417
'cause we left before
the tapes were ready.

1879
01:32:16,042 --> 01:32:18,459
We were just
finishing up the mixes.

1880
01:32:19,334 --> 01:32:20,999
He took off, went home,

1881
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,667
and on his way back,
he got, uh-- he got dinged.

1882
01:32:31,250 --> 01:32:33,374
Singer Billy Idol
was seriously injured

1883
01:32:33,375 --> 01:32:35,082
in a motorcycle accident
in Los Angeles

1884
01:32:35,083 --> 01:32:36,208
early yesterday morning

1885
01:32:36,209 --> 01:32:37,374
when the Harley he was driving

1886
01:32:37,375 --> 01:32:38,834
collided with another vehicle.

1887
01:32:39,334 --> 01:32:40,625
His injuries were so severe,

1888
01:32:40,626 --> 01:32:42,875
his doctors weren't sure
they could save his leg.

1889
01:32:45,709 --> 01:32:48,333
So we get
to Cedars-Sinai.

1890
01:32:48,334 --> 01:32:50,208
I run into the ICU,

1891
01:32:50,209 --> 01:32:52,875
and he's lying there
and he looked terrible.

1892
01:32:52,876 --> 01:32:54,417
I mean, he was gray,

1893
01:32:54,834 --> 01:32:57,333
and his leg,
I couldn't even look at it.

1894
01:32:57,334 --> 01:33:00,249
It looked like it was in like
a few pieces, you know.

1895
01:33:00,250 --> 01:33:02,416
And, uh, I held his hand
and I went,

1896
01:33:02,417 --> 01:33:04,375
"You're gonna be alright.
You're gonna be alright."

1897
01:33:07,542 --> 01:33:10,416
Really, they didn't know
if they could save the leg

1898
01:33:10,417 --> 01:33:12,250
for about ten days.

1899
01:33:12,792 --> 01:33:15,125
They were thinking
of amputating.

1900
01:33:15,667 --> 01:33:19,876
He was in quite a lot of pain,
you can imagine.

1901
01:33:20,292 --> 01:33:24,333
The bones were sticking out
of the leg, it was horrible.

1902
01:33:29,292 --> 01:33:31,374
I was on morphine
in the hospital

1903
01:33:31,375 --> 01:33:33,625
and I was on this pain box.

1904
01:33:33,626 --> 01:33:35,374
You know...

1905
01:33:39,959 --> 01:33:41,750
I wouldn't ever take
my finger off

1906
01:33:41,751 --> 01:33:45,082
so it had a lockout that every
12 minutes I could do it,

1907
01:33:45,083 --> 01:33:46,625
because otherwise
I would have been...

1908
01:33:52,792 --> 01:33:55,501
And even the pain doctor
came to me and said,

1909
01:33:56,375 --> 01:33:58,292
"Mr. Broad, um...

1910
01:33:58,876 --> 01:34:01,791
the pain medication,
how can I put it to you?

1911
01:34:01,792 --> 01:34:02,958
You're drinking it in.

1912
01:34:02,959 --> 01:34:04,292
Is there anything
you want to tell me?"

1913
01:34:05,459 --> 01:34:06,999
But he said, "Look,

1914
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,625
when the day comes and we say
you don't need it anymore,

1915
01:34:09,626 --> 01:34:11,709
will you get off it?"
And I said, "Yes, I will."

1916
01:34:12,042 --> 01:34:15,501
And so that...
that was kind of it.

1917
01:34:27,417 --> 01:34:31,374
My mum and dad came
to help me recuperate.

1918
01:34:31,375 --> 01:34:34,041
Came while I was
in the hospital,

1919
01:34:34,042 --> 01:34:38,166
and then Mum stayed
to sort of help me.

1920
01:34:38,167 --> 01:34:39,167
Fourteen weeks.

1921
01:34:40,918 --> 01:34:43,041
And my mum,
because she was a nurse,

1922
01:34:43,042 --> 01:34:44,374
it was fantastic.

1923
01:34:44,375 --> 01:34:46,166
Who better than your mother

1924
01:34:46,167 --> 01:34:49,083
at such a horrible--
at such a horrible time.

1925
01:34:52,042 --> 01:34:54,458
And Dad got fed up
of being on his own,

1926
01:34:54,459 --> 01:34:57,374
so he said,
"You better come home."

1927
01:34:57,375 --> 01:34:59,208
Right!

1928
01:34:59,209 --> 01:35:00,875
Oh yeah!

1929
01:35:00,876 --> 01:35:02,583
Fourteen weeks.

1930
01:35:02,584 --> 01:35:03,584
Yeah.

1931
01:35:03,918 --> 01:35:07,209
You can see the...
it looks quite nice today.

1932
01:35:07,751 --> 01:35:09,791
It used to look like--
this was all purple

1933
01:35:09,792 --> 01:35:11,166
and it had veins in it.

1934
01:35:11,167 --> 01:35:13,375
It used to look like
my brain was coming out.

1935
01:35:13,918 --> 01:35:15,666
I'll show you what
it looks like.

1936
01:35:15,667 --> 01:35:16,875
Let's have a look.

1937
01:35:16,876 --> 01:35:19,541
- It's really horrible.
-  Ooh!

1938
01:35:19,542 --> 01:35:20,625
For a while in hospital,

1939
01:35:20,626 --> 01:35:22,917
I could look into it
and see my bone.

1940
01:35:22,918 --> 01:35:25,541
Yeah, but then it didn't--
the break didn't heal.

1941
01:35:25,542 --> 01:35:28,917
So they took some-- they put
a steel rod into my leg

1942
01:35:28,918 --> 01:35:30,625
right through
the middle of the bone.

1943
01:35:30,626 --> 01:35:31,999
It's about--
it's about that thick.

1944
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,875
It's quite thick.
It's really amazing.

1945
01:35:33,876 --> 01:35:35,333
They're really--
Ten years ago,

1946
01:35:35,334 --> 01:35:37,583
I would have had to have
my leg chopped off.

1947
01:35:37,584 --> 01:35:38,626
Amputated.

1948
01:35:39,501 --> 01:35:40,833
I'm always thinking,

1949
01:35:40,834 --> 01:35:42,875
well, shouldn't
it all collapse?

1950
01:35:42,876 --> 01:35:45,000
I don't even know what
the next thing is.

1951
01:35:45,751 --> 01:35:47,666
I'm trying to prepare myself

1952
01:35:47,667 --> 01:35:50,334
for the unknown, even,
you know.

1953
01:35:53,834 --> 01:35:55,626
And the winner is...

1954
01:35:58,709 --> 01:36:00,583
Billy Idol, "Cradle of Love."

1955
01:36:07,667 --> 01:36:09,791
♪ Well, ow! ♪

1956
01:36:09,792 --> 01:36:12,334
♪ Rock the cradle of love... ♪

1957
01:36:13,125 --> 01:36:15,583
Rock star Billy Idol
is on the comeback trail

1958
01:36:15,584 --> 01:36:16,958
after a motorcycle accident

1959
01:36:16,959 --> 01:36:19,124
that nearly killed him
last February.

1960
01:36:19,125 --> 01:36:22,083
His latest effort is
the single "Cradle of Love."

1961
01:36:24,125 --> 01:36:26,000
Rock and roll forever!

1962
01:36:27,167 --> 01:36:28,750
His Charmed Life Tour

1963
01:36:28,751 --> 01:36:30,791
will take him
to more than 50 US cities

1964
01:36:30,792 --> 01:36:33,750
and will help promote his new
album by the same title.

1965
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:40,876
I did the biggest tour
of my life with a cane.

1966
01:36:44,334 --> 01:36:46,082
You're trying to keep
momentum going

1967
01:36:46,083 --> 01:36:48,666
so things stay on a roll,
you know.

1968
01:36:48,667 --> 01:36:49,918
And you gotta keep it rolling.

1969
01:36:51,626 --> 01:36:53,500
Moments before
he hit the stage tonight,

1970
01:36:53,501 --> 01:36:56,458
it was clear, Billy was back
and better than ever.

1971
01:36:56,459 --> 01:36:57,625
And just like his album title,

1972
01:36:57,626 --> 01:36:59,999
he was now leading
a charmed life.

1973
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:10,918
Billy was still a,
you know, mega, major star.

1974
01:37:11,334 --> 01:37:13,249
He almost lost the leg.

1975
01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:15,750
So that was a big hiccup.

1976
01:37:15,751 --> 01:37:19,292
♪ 311 man, oh yeah ♪

1977
01:37:19,667 --> 01:37:21,208
But where it really
hiccupped Billy

1978
01:37:21,209 --> 01:37:22,666
was not in his music career,

1979
01:37:22,667 --> 01:37:24,166
it was in his film career.

1980
01:37:26,167 --> 01:37:28,626
Because Billy would have
had movie on movie.

1981
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:32,416
I mean, the worst thing
about it for me was

1982
01:37:32,417 --> 01:37:34,208
that it prevented me
from actually

1983
01:37:34,209 --> 01:37:36,333
fulfilling my original role
in the film,

1984
01:37:36,334 --> 01:37:39,541
Oliver Stone's film The Doors.

1985
01:37:39,542 --> 01:37:42,250
So I was pretty hurt
about that.

1986
01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:45,333
Oliver, tell us why
you cast Billy

1987
01:37:45,334 --> 01:37:47,166
in the role that
you cast him in.

1988
01:37:47,167 --> 01:37:48,875
Because he's anarchic.

1989
01:37:48,876 --> 01:37:51,041
He's the spirit
of rock and roll.

1990
01:37:51,042 --> 01:37:53,500
Who is the character
that he's playing?

1991
01:37:53,501 --> 01:37:54,374
A wild man.

1992
01:37:54,375 --> 01:37:55,876
Yeah, mornin'.

1993
01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:57,999
Pour me my breakfast, Dolores.

1994
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,625
Oliver Stone
wanted me to play

1995
01:37:59,626 --> 01:38:01,374
a friend of Jim Morrison's.

1996
01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:04,166
I originally would have done
the Michael Madsen part.

1997
01:38:04,167 --> 01:38:06,291
...two-fisted fucking
drinking guys

1998
01:38:06,292 --> 01:38:08,208
in the same movie together.

1999
01:38:08,209 --> 01:38:09,958
Yeah, man, I'll direct
the shit out of it.

2000
01:38:09,959 --> 01:38:12,375
Dennis Hopper can do it,
I can do it.

2001
01:38:12,876 --> 01:38:14,999
But because of
the motorcycle accident,

2002
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,500
I couldn't do that, so, uh,

2003
01:38:16,501 --> 01:38:19,000
I ended up playing Cat,
a roadie.

2004
01:38:23,167 --> 01:38:25,875
And then I did do a screen
test with Jim Cameron

2005
01:38:25,876 --> 01:38:27,541
for Terminator 2.

2006
01:38:27,542 --> 01:38:29,167
And action.

2007
01:38:29,667 --> 01:38:34,333
Jim wanted me to play
the T-1000, the real bad guy.

2008
01:38:34,334 --> 01:38:36,334
- Where's John Connor?
- I don't know.

2009
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,917
Holy shit.

2010
01:38:39,918 --> 01:38:41,583
And it went really well.

2011
01:38:41,584 --> 01:38:43,667
T-1000 lives.

2012
01:38:44,292 --> 01:38:46,249
But there was a point
in the movie where,

2013
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:48,917
you know, the T-1000
has to run.

2014
01:38:48,918 --> 01:38:51,583
And he said, "I can't
trick that up with CGI.

2015
01:38:51,584 --> 01:38:53,875
You have to be able to run."
And I went, "Well..."

2016
01:38:53,876 --> 01:38:56,125
I just had a really bad limp,
so I couldn't do it.

2017
01:38:57,209 --> 01:38:58,458
But I wish I could
have done it.

2018
01:38:58,459 --> 01:39:00,125
It would have been incredible.

2019
01:39:00,709 --> 01:39:02,959
And you never know where
that would have led.

2020
01:39:09,250 --> 01:39:11,958
Around that time, Perri was
trying to be an actress too,

2021
01:39:11,959 --> 01:39:13,208
which she was.

2022
01:39:13,209 --> 01:39:14,208
She was really good,

2023
01:39:14,209 --> 01:39:16,751
but it never quite took off.

2024
01:39:18,209 --> 01:39:20,374
It really upset her a lot,
you know.

2025
01:39:20,375 --> 01:39:22,792
And I think it upset her
with me.

2026
01:39:23,375 --> 01:39:26,291
Because I was carrying on
with my rock and roll career

2027
01:39:26,292 --> 01:39:28,458
and it just wasn't quite
happening for her

2028
01:39:28,459 --> 01:39:29,501
in the same way.

2029
01:39:31,584 --> 01:39:34,250
It's like we just sort of
grew apart, really.

2030
01:39:39,292 --> 01:39:41,124
So I understand
why we ended,

2031
01:39:41,125 --> 01:39:42,333
but it's kind of a shame

2032
01:39:42,334 --> 01:39:43,791
because we were
such good friends

2033
01:39:43,792 --> 01:39:44,999
as well as being lovers.

2034
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,667
We were always great friends,
you know.

2035
01:39:48,459 --> 01:39:50,750
I think we should have been
together all our lives.

2036
01:39:50,751 --> 01:39:51,876
We're perfect for each other.

2037
01:39:55,292 --> 01:39:57,167
He was the love of my life.

2038
01:40:00,459 --> 01:40:02,709
Once we did break up,
me and Perri,

2039
01:40:03,125 --> 01:40:06,417
I didn't kind of know what
I was gonna do, you know.

2040
01:40:08,792 --> 01:40:09,917
Sound speeds.

2041
01:40:09,918 --> 01:40:12,208
We have Patrick. Take one.

2042
01:40:12,209 --> 01:40:13,500
Color marker.

2043
01:40:15,292 --> 01:40:17,500
I was born in '84, right?

2044
01:40:17,501 --> 01:40:21,041
And so, you know,
those early formative years,

2045
01:40:21,042 --> 01:40:23,459
Billy Idol was kind of
just everywhere.

2046
01:40:24,375 --> 01:40:26,500
♪ Rock the cradle of love... ♪

2047
01:40:26,501 --> 01:40:28,374
I vividly remember
"Rock the Cradle of Love"

2048
01:40:28,375 --> 01:40:31,041
being, like, this thing that
was in our house a lot.

2049
01:40:31,042 --> 01:40:33,834
And obviously "White Wedding"
and stuff like that.

2050
01:40:34,209 --> 01:40:35,500
Listening back
to those records,

2051
01:40:35,501 --> 01:40:37,374
there was something
that stood out about them.

2052
01:40:37,375 --> 01:40:40,667
They kind of became like
tentpoles for culture.

2053
01:40:41,834 --> 01:40:45,166
If you were gonna describe
what a rock star is,

2054
01:40:45,167 --> 01:40:46,626
it's Billy Idol.

2055
01:40:47,876 --> 01:40:50,709
But then he made Cyberpunk.

2056
01:40:51,375 --> 01:40:55,249
I found that so surprising
in this weird way, you know.

2057
01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:56,501
Like this little puzzle.

2058
01:40:58,542 --> 01:41:00,208
After the motorcycle accident,

2059
01:41:00,209 --> 01:41:04,082
this guy, when he saw this
machine on my leg, he said,

2060
01:41:04,083 --> 01:41:06,791
"Oh, you're a cyberpunk."

2061
01:41:06,792 --> 01:41:09,416
And that's kind
of made me go, oh.

2062
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:16,041
Cyberpunk was more than a
science fiction writer's fad.

2063
01:41:16,042 --> 01:41:17,791
Virtual reality holds a key

2064
01:41:17,792 --> 01:41:19,416
to the evolution
of the human mind.

2065
01:41:19,417 --> 01:41:21,750
It was literature's
first real response

2066
01:41:21,751 --> 01:41:23,209
to the Information Age.

2067
01:41:23,584 --> 01:41:26,791
Cyberpunk was a concept album

2068
01:41:26,792 --> 01:41:29,500
that took a lot of kind of
influence from

2069
01:41:29,501 --> 01:41:32,667
William Gibson's novel,
Neuromancer,

2070
01:41:33,125 --> 01:41:36,249
about the ultimate
high-tech dystopian future.

2071
01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:38,208
Kind of like, you know,
your Blade Runner,

2072
01:41:38,209 --> 01:41:40,334
your Ghost in the Shell,
all of that.

2073
01:41:41,083 --> 01:41:43,918
I'm calling this album
Cyberpunk because, uh,

2074
01:41:44,375 --> 01:41:48,083
we made it through joining
together with computers.

2075
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,083
Man and machine.

2076
01:41:51,584 --> 01:41:55,666
♪ Discovered love in
the rancid days of ruin... ♪

2077
01:41:55,667 --> 01:41:58,958
He made this really bold
choice to make a concept album

2078
01:41:58,959 --> 01:42:00,708
that was kind of prescient

2079
01:42:00,709 --> 01:42:04,249
in the way that technology
was going to impact music

2080
01:42:04,250 --> 01:42:06,501
and the world and culture
and everything.

2081
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:10,208
It spans the globe
like a superhighway.

2082
01:42:10,209 --> 01:42:11,833
It is called internet.

2083
01:42:11,834 --> 01:42:14,124
Cyberpunk turned me on
to this idea

2084
01:42:14,125 --> 01:42:15,249
about the internet,

2085
01:42:15,250 --> 01:42:16,959
that the internet was coming.

2086
01:42:17,417 --> 01:42:20,374
But the normal public
didn't know about it at all.

2087
01:42:20,375 --> 01:42:22,751
It was just certain people
knew about it.

2088
01:42:23,167 --> 01:42:24,416
What do you mean?

2089
01:42:24,417 --> 01:42:26,166
You write to it like mail?

2090
01:42:26,167 --> 01:42:28,999
Allison, can you explain
what internet is?

2091
01:42:33,042 --> 01:42:35,291
I used to say, "Billy, how many
people have computers?

2092
01:42:35,292 --> 01:42:36,875
Maybe 2,000 people?"

2093
01:42:36,876 --> 01:42:38,833
And he used to say to me,
"Art,

2094
01:42:38,834 --> 01:42:41,082
one day everybody
will have a computer."

2095
01:42:41,083 --> 01:42:42,541
I go, "You're out
of your mind, dude.

2096
01:42:42,542 --> 01:42:43,583
You're out of your mind."

2097
01:42:46,042 --> 01:42:48,082
And then I started
to know about this

2098
01:42:48,083 --> 01:42:51,500
do-it-yourself kind of thing
coming into music.

2099
01:42:52,918 --> 01:42:56,000
It was the early version
of the Pro Tools.

2100
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:58,541
Pro Tools,
for people who don't know,

2101
01:42:58,542 --> 01:43:01,208
changed the way
that recording happens.

2102
01:43:01,209 --> 01:43:04,792
First off, it made your studio
able to be your house.

2103
01:43:05,501 --> 01:43:10,875
And it made the whole process
so much faster.

2104
01:43:10,876 --> 01:43:12,333
The do-it-yourself record,

2105
01:43:12,334 --> 01:43:14,124
it just seemed
really punk to me.

2106
01:43:14,125 --> 01:43:18,208
It seemed like it was
revitalizing that side of me.

2107
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,541
And then I could make
the record at home.

2108
01:43:22,542 --> 01:43:23,876
That was the other thing too.

2109
01:43:24,209 --> 01:43:26,375
I was trying to heal myself
from the drug addiction.

2110
01:43:26,792 --> 01:43:30,709
And we made the whole record
without over-partying.

2111
01:43:31,083 --> 01:43:32,500
You know,
the Charmed Life record

2112
01:43:32,501 --> 01:43:34,583
we'd made with strippers
dancing to the music

2113
01:43:34,584 --> 01:43:36,876
and, you know, getting high
and fucked up.

2114
01:43:37,334 --> 01:43:39,834
This record to me
was about self-healing.

2115
01:43:42,083 --> 01:43:43,416
Good.

2116
01:43:45,334 --> 01:43:47,750
Well, the direction
of this album is cyberspace,

2117
01:43:47,751 --> 01:43:51,374
cybernetic,
rock and roll dance music.

2118
01:43:51,375 --> 01:43:54,625
And I think you can tell
from this gear,

2119
01:43:54,626 --> 01:43:56,918
I'm definitely creating
my own reality.

2120
01:43:57,375 --> 01:43:58,583
For a few lucky fans,

2121
01:43:58,584 --> 01:44:00,041
a limited edition of Cyberpunk

2122
01:44:00,042 --> 01:44:02,041
will be released with
a special computer disc.

2123
01:44:02,042 --> 01:44:04,041
This is Billy Idol's
Cyberpunk floppy disc

2124
01:44:04,042 --> 01:44:05,917
and it's set up like
a magazine.

2125
01:44:05,918 --> 01:44:07,166
There are three different
sections:

2126
01:44:07,167 --> 01:44:10,209
concept, song lyrics,
and digi art.

2127
01:44:12,250 --> 01:44:14,041
Just trying
to introduce people

2128
01:44:14,042 --> 01:44:15,666
into this idea that

2129
01:44:15,667 --> 01:44:18,626
the music and the computer
all went together.

2130
01:44:19,125 --> 01:44:20,791
Looking back on the record,

2131
01:44:20,792 --> 01:44:23,250
it's a wild bet,
it's a wild choice.

2132
01:44:23,792 --> 01:44:25,958
It's interesting because
I feel like Cyberpunk

2133
01:44:25,959 --> 01:44:29,541
is where you see the artist
that's behind the '80s icon.

2134
01:44:32,375 --> 01:44:34,416
♪ Aw, yeah! ♪

2135
01:44:34,417 --> 01:44:35,583
♪ Yow! ♪

2136
01:44:35,584 --> 01:44:38,751
♪ You can rock
this land, baby ♪

2137
01:44:39,918 --> 01:44:41,583
♪ Yow! ♪

2138
01:44:41,584 --> 01:44:43,750
♪ Like a shock to the system ♪

2139
01:44:43,751 --> 01:44:46,583
♪ It feel good, well, alright ♪

2140
01:44:46,584 --> 01:44:49,458
♪ Like a shock to the system ♪

2141
01:44:49,459 --> 01:44:52,625
♪ It feel good, well, alright ♪

2142
01:44:52,626 --> 01:44:55,333
♪ Like a shock to the system ♪

2143
01:44:55,334 --> 01:44:59,791
♪ I say yeah, say it louder
The world still burns ♪

2144
01:45:01,751 --> 01:45:03,959
The album didn't do
very well.

2145
01:45:04,542 --> 01:45:08,291
It obviously didn't have
a hit single on it.

2146
01:45:08,292 --> 01:45:09,791
It was too soon,
it was too early,

2147
01:45:09,792 --> 01:45:11,291
people didn't understand it.

2148
01:45:19,334 --> 01:45:21,958
I simultaneously
totally understand

2149
01:45:21,959 --> 01:45:23,791
why it didn't work,
but also don't get

2150
01:45:23,792 --> 01:45:25,333
why it didn't work.

2151
01:45:25,334 --> 01:45:27,291
'Cause it's not really
all that different

2152
01:45:27,292 --> 01:45:30,124
than a lot of music that
was working in the '90s.

2153
01:45:30,125 --> 01:45:33,584
You know, it wasn't like
it was terribly left field.

2154
01:45:35,250 --> 01:45:37,500
It was as if the world
just decided

2155
01:45:37,501 --> 01:45:38,918
they didn't want it from him.

2156
01:45:42,876 --> 01:45:45,791
When you are an artist,
you put yourself out there.

2157
01:45:45,792 --> 01:45:48,999
You know, your music
is so much of you

2158
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,875
and who you are, right?

2159
01:45:50,876 --> 01:45:53,541
And then to have millions
of people reject that,

2160
01:45:53,542 --> 01:45:56,166
that's a bummer, man,
that's a really big bummer.

2161
01:45:59,751 --> 01:46:01,625
I was a bit disappointed

2162
01:46:01,626 --> 01:46:03,541
that people didn't get
what I was doing.

2163
01:46:03,542 --> 01:46:06,208
But you know,
I kind of get it.

2164
01:46:06,209 --> 01:46:08,583
People who were just digging
"Cradle of Love"

2165
01:46:08,584 --> 01:46:10,166
or "Mony Mony," you know,

2166
01:46:10,167 --> 01:46:12,417
they're just not going
to quite get that.

2167
01:46:14,876 --> 01:46:16,833
If we'd done a follow-up
to Charmed Life

2168
01:46:16,834 --> 01:46:19,333
and made sure
there was a hit single on it

2169
01:46:19,334 --> 01:46:22,583
and partied in the same way
as we did,

2170
01:46:22,584 --> 01:46:25,124
you know, like
Mr. Rock and Roll 24/7,

2171
01:46:25,125 --> 01:46:26,209
I don't know.

2172
01:46:28,667 --> 01:46:30,709
I probably wouldn't be here.

2173
01:46:34,918 --> 01:46:37,041
Eventually, after Cyberpunk,

2174
01:46:37,042 --> 01:46:40,416
me and Steve Stevens,
we started to write songs

2175
01:46:40,417 --> 01:46:41,959
for a Billy Idol album.

2176
01:46:43,250 --> 01:46:45,417
We made demos
for a couple of years,

2177
01:46:46,542 --> 01:46:48,167
but it didn't quite happen.

2178
01:46:57,042 --> 01:46:58,500
And then I was
kind of enjoying

2179
01:46:58,501 --> 01:47:00,292
being Willem's dad
by that time.

2180
01:47:02,209 --> 01:47:05,917
And, uh, driving him
to school.

2181
01:47:05,918 --> 01:47:07,917
- Dad?
-  Yeah?

2182
01:47:07,918 --> 01:47:09,082
You're supposed to play,

2183
01:47:09,083 --> 01:47:10,708
you're supposed to
put that somewhere.

2184
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:13,625
Doing the soccer with him.

2185
01:47:15,542 --> 01:47:17,876
Then the baseball
and stuff.

2186
01:47:20,459 --> 01:47:23,667
By that time, my daughter
had come back into my life.

2187
01:47:24,751 --> 01:47:26,958
Back during
the baby monitor thing,

2188
01:47:26,959 --> 01:47:29,876
Bonnie's mum was
the lady who got pregnant.

2189
01:47:31,459 --> 01:47:34,791
When she was pregnant, her
mother had gone to Oklahoma.

2190
01:47:34,792 --> 01:47:37,875
So I didn't really meet Bonnie
until she was

2191
01:47:37,876 --> 01:47:39,626
a little over two, you know.

2192
01:47:41,918 --> 01:47:44,208
Bonnie lived with
her mother full-time,

2193
01:47:44,209 --> 01:47:46,709
so I didn't see her
as much as Willem.

2194
01:47:47,459 --> 01:47:51,333
But I enjoyed all of that.
I really enjoyed being a dad.

2195
01:47:54,292 --> 01:47:56,791
I always wanted
a boy and a girl,

2196
01:47:56,792 --> 01:48:00,709
and I finagled my way
into a boy and a girl.

2197
01:48:01,959 --> 01:48:03,833
In your own daft way,

2198
01:48:03,834 --> 01:48:05,959
you've achieved
what you set out to do.

2199
01:48:08,417 --> 01:48:10,417
And I actually have a son

2200
01:48:10,792 --> 01:48:11,958
that I didn't realize

2201
01:48:11,959 --> 01:48:14,500
who, uh, I fathered

2202
01:48:14,501 --> 01:48:15,666
on the Rebel Yell Tour

2203
01:48:15,667 --> 01:48:16,834
without knowing it.

2204
01:48:17,125 --> 01:48:21,500
So, uh... I somehow finagled
this as well.

2205
01:48:27,584 --> 01:48:30,333
-  Look.
-  That's a turtle!

2206
01:48:30,334 --> 01:48:32,918
We have a two-year-old
and an infant,

2207
01:48:33,375 --> 01:48:35,374
and we were like trying
to figure out

2208
01:48:35,375 --> 01:48:36,876
our entire family tree.

2209
01:48:38,459 --> 01:48:40,374
So my husband just
surprised me with

2210
01:48:40,375 --> 01:48:44,041
a 23andMe--
with a DNA, um, test

2211
01:48:44,042 --> 01:48:45,625
as a Christmas present.

2212
01:48:45,626 --> 01:48:47,124
With 23andMe,

2213
01:48:47,125 --> 01:48:48,708
you can discover
where in the world

2214
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:50,291
your DNA comes from.

2215
01:48:50,292 --> 01:48:53,124
You can even learn how
you are connected to others.

2216
01:48:53,125 --> 01:48:54,833
And then a few weeks later,

2217
01:48:54,834 --> 01:48:59,209
I get the results back
on the app and open it.

2218
01:49:00,459 --> 01:49:03,876
And I'm like, who is this?
This Brant?

2219
01:49:04,209 --> 01:49:06,667
And it says, you know,
his info is like,

2220
01:49:07,083 --> 01:49:11,583
"New York, 1985,
looking for my bio dad."

2221
01:49:11,584 --> 01:49:14,792
And I was like, what?

2222
01:49:16,042 --> 01:49:18,082
My sister calls me

2223
01:49:18,083 --> 01:49:20,249
and she says, "Hey, Willem,
I did 23andMe

2224
01:49:20,250 --> 01:49:22,374
and, uh, we have a brother."

2225
01:49:24,834 --> 01:49:27,833
Growing up,
I actually, uh, thought

2226
01:49:27,834 --> 01:49:29,541
another man
was my biological father.

2227
01:49:29,542 --> 01:49:32,708
My dad, Mark, I actually
got him a DNA test

2228
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:35,249
and, uh, we didn't have
any matches.

2229
01:49:35,250 --> 01:49:37,999
And I was just like, what's
going on here? You know?

2230
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:39,333
Like, this is a little weird.

2231
01:49:39,334 --> 01:49:42,291
So I was like, "Mom,
is there a chance Mark

2232
01:49:42,292 --> 01:49:44,249
might not be
my biological father?"

2233
01:49:44,250 --> 01:49:46,875
And she's like, "Well,
you know, it's pretty crazy,

2234
01:49:46,876 --> 01:49:48,917
but back in the day,
we broke up.

2235
01:49:48,918 --> 01:49:51,124
And I actually, you know,

2236
01:49:51,125 --> 01:49:53,542
spent a weekend with, uh...

2237
01:49:54,375 --> 01:49:55,459
with Billy Idol."

2238
01:49:57,918 --> 01:50:00,583
Once I saw Brant
with Bonnie and Willem,

2239
01:50:00,584 --> 01:50:03,584
they've all got the same
quirky sense of humor.

2240
01:50:04,292 --> 01:50:05,458
And once I saw that,

2241
01:50:05,459 --> 01:50:07,708
I could see he's my son, really.

2242
01:50:08,626 --> 01:50:09,917
Okay, just hold on.

2243
01:50:09,918 --> 01:50:11,417
Let's see this tongue.

2244
01:50:13,334 --> 01:50:15,000
Now make it pointy.

2245
01:50:15,417 --> 01:50:17,250
Let's see your hands.

2246
01:50:18,792 --> 01:50:20,082
Oh yeah, those are right.

2247
01:50:20,083 --> 01:50:21,458
That's crazy.

2248
01:50:21,459 --> 01:50:23,875
As I get to know him more,
I get to know him more

2249
01:50:23,876 --> 01:50:25,124
as a man who loves his family.

2250
01:50:25,125 --> 01:50:27,208
He's definitely showed me
a lot of love,

2251
01:50:27,209 --> 01:50:29,082
so I'm blessed.

2252
01:50:30,626 --> 01:50:33,082
So now I've got
four grandchildren,

2253
01:50:33,083 --> 01:50:34,583
two by Bonnie

2254
01:50:34,584 --> 01:50:36,417
and two by Brant.

2255
01:50:36,792 --> 01:50:39,541
And so it's all drawn us
very much together.

2256
01:50:39,542 --> 01:50:41,583
- Yeah!
-  Whoo-hoo!

2257
01:50:41,584 --> 01:50:43,958
That's it. Yes, well done.

2258
01:50:43,959 --> 01:50:47,083
-  Come here!
-  Ooga-booga!

2259
01:50:47,501 --> 01:50:49,750
There's a funny thing.
We were at my sister's house

2260
01:50:49,751 --> 01:50:51,666
and he's laying on this bed,

2261
01:50:51,667 --> 01:50:54,124
and my daughter runs,

2262
01:50:54,125 --> 01:50:55,500
jumps on this bed,

2263
01:50:55,501 --> 01:50:57,208
and then jumps
right back off and lands

2264
01:50:57,209 --> 01:50:58,459
right on his private areas.

2265
01:51:01,667 --> 01:51:02,999
Wow!

2266
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,458
And in my head I'm like,

2267
01:51:04,459 --> 01:51:06,625
"My daughter just crushed
Billy Idol's nuts."

2268
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,125
Oh!

2269
01:51:09,709 --> 01:51:11,958
You hit Granddad with a block.
That's not nice.

2270
01:51:11,959 --> 01:51:13,833
It was just a funny story,
but, uh,

2271
01:51:13,834 --> 01:51:14,999
he loved 'em up.

2272
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,625
He loved my wife
and my daughter,

2273
01:51:17,626 --> 01:51:19,417
and he's a good man.

2274
01:51:31,918 --> 01:51:35,541
He is just
the best grandfather,

2275
01:51:35,542 --> 01:51:38,459
and, oh, my babies love him
so much.

2276
01:51:40,417 --> 01:51:43,833
My pops is a legend.
He's a diva.

2277
01:51:43,834 --> 01:51:46,374
He's a punk rock god,

2278
01:51:46,375 --> 01:51:48,708
and I love him, you know?

2279
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:52,625
Alright, come on.

2280
01:51:52,626 --> 01:51:56,333
You know,
I was really just, uh, doing

2281
01:51:56,334 --> 01:51:59,333
what I wanted to do,
and that's what started to be

2282
01:51:59,334 --> 01:52:01,959
more important than
Billy Idol. Thank God.

2283
01:52:08,876 --> 01:52:11,667
♪ More, more, more, more ♪

2284
01:52:32,834 --> 01:52:36,459
He did later on in life, uh,
towards the end of his life.

2285
01:52:38,250 --> 01:52:40,833
He started to listen
to some of the older stuff.

2286
01:52:40,834 --> 01:52:43,082
When he got sick
from the cancer,

2287
01:52:43,083 --> 01:52:45,375
he started to listen
to the older music.

2288
01:52:47,209 --> 01:52:50,125
And he said to me,
he said, uh...

2289
01:52:53,375 --> 01:52:54,959
"Did I upset you, Will..."

2290
01:52:58,751 --> 01:53:00,999
"...I didn't care
about your music?"

2291
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:02,042
I said...

2292
01:53:05,709 --> 01:53:08,292
"Dad, I was crazy
to think I could do it."

2293
01:53:09,876 --> 01:53:12,208
Because I could see
at that moment...

2294
01:53:13,292 --> 01:53:14,626
...that's what he needed.

2295
01:53:15,375 --> 01:53:17,000
He didn't need me saying,

2296
01:53:17,417 --> 01:53:19,291
"You didn't understand,
you piece of shit.

2297
01:53:19,292 --> 01:53:20,833
Look who I am.
Look what I did.

2298
01:53:20,834 --> 01:53:22,917
I've had these hit records.
You don't care."

2299
01:53:22,918 --> 01:53:24,750
He didn't need that
right at that moment.

2300
01:53:24,751 --> 01:53:26,917
What he needed me to say
was the truth,

2301
01:53:26,918 --> 01:53:30,124
which is, I was crazy
to think I could do it,

2302
01:53:30,125 --> 01:53:31,167
because I was.

2303
01:53:31,459 --> 01:53:34,125
I was a bit crazy
to think I could do it.

2304
01:53:41,709 --> 01:53:44,750
I could understand, really,
that they didn't understand,

2305
01:53:44,751 --> 01:53:48,626
because I didn't really know
if I had the ability.

2306
01:53:51,792 --> 01:53:53,459
Because you had to be crazy.

2307
01:54:09,125 --> 01:54:11,417
It was good
that they made up.

2308
01:54:13,542 --> 01:54:15,708
They became
quite good friends.

2309
01:54:15,709 --> 01:54:17,708
Complete change.

2310
01:54:17,709 --> 01:54:21,500
You know, it was sad,
but there we are.

2311
01:54:21,501 --> 01:54:22,666
That's life.

2312
01:54:52,584 --> 01:54:55,750
I can say I didn't know what
the hell was gonna happen

2313
01:54:55,751 --> 01:54:57,041
when I came to America.

2314
01:54:57,042 --> 01:54:59,416
A lot of weird things
have happened to me,

2315
01:54:59,417 --> 01:55:01,041
but, of course,
it was an experience.

2316
01:55:01,042 --> 01:55:02,750
And the other thing was,
I came here,

2317
01:55:02,751 --> 01:55:05,541
I came here really because
I wanted to make music.

2318
01:55:05,542 --> 01:55:07,208
I wanted to continue
being in groups.

2319
01:55:07,209 --> 01:55:09,000
I wanted to continue singing.

2320
01:55:11,626 --> 01:55:13,209
I'm a songwriter, you know.

2321
01:55:18,417 --> 01:55:19,875
It's lovely being here
in Mexico.

2322
01:55:19,876 --> 01:55:23,249
I'm having a fantastic
fucking time! Yeah!

2323
01:55:24,959 --> 01:55:27,458
Thank you, London.
Thank you. Yeah!

2324
01:55:31,334 --> 01:55:33,374
Listen, wherever you're from
in this world,

2325
01:55:33,375 --> 01:55:34,583
I want to thank you.

2326
01:55:34,584 --> 01:55:36,666
I want to thank you
for making my life

2327
01:55:36,667 --> 01:55:38,625
so fucking great. Thank you.

2328
01:55:50,542 --> 01:55:54,124
A big part of life
is luck.

2329
01:55:54,125 --> 01:55:57,501
But an even bigger part is
what you do with that luck.

2330
01:55:59,375 --> 01:56:02,125
Most people probably think
I should be dead.

2331
01:56:02,501 --> 01:56:04,416
Love you, Billy!

2332
01:56:04,417 --> 01:56:08,000
So I'm living every day
like it could be my last.

2333
01:56:09,751 --> 01:56:11,292
This is for you, Dad!

2334
01:56:11,709 --> 01:56:12,751
Yeah!

2335
01:56:31,292 --> 01:56:36,417
♪ Late night conversations ♪

2336
01:56:37,292 --> 01:56:43,459
♪ With past life hesitations ♪

2337
01:56:44,292 --> 01:56:49,459
♪ Once when I was younger ♪

2338
01:56:51,334 --> 01:56:56,501
♪ Back when I knew hunger ♪

2339
01:56:57,709 --> 01:57:01,041
♪ I was just bored
with a life to live ♪

2340
01:57:01,042 --> 01:57:06,292
♪ All I knew was
to dream into it ♪

2341
01:57:17,626 --> 01:57:23,209
♪ Naive motivations ♪

2342
01:57:24,125 --> 01:57:30,083
♪ Heightened expectations ♪

2343
01:57:30,584 --> 01:57:36,501
♪ The door was open, calling ♪

2344
01:57:37,501 --> 01:57:42,792
♪ They said I was foolish ♪

2345
01:57:43,959 --> 01:57:45,416
♪ I had to walk through ♪

2346
01:57:45,417 --> 01:57:47,125
♪ Didn't think of the price ♪

2347
01:57:47,375 --> 01:57:48,875
♪ With a twinkle in my eye ♪

2348
01:57:48,876 --> 01:57:52,334
♪ I dreamed into it ♪

2349
01:57:57,042 --> 01:58:00,041
♪ And the records turn ♪

2350
01:58:00,042 --> 01:58:03,708
♪ Like they did
when I was young ♪

2351
01:58:03,709 --> 01:58:06,750
♪ And I still don't know ♪

2352
01:58:06,751 --> 01:58:10,124
♪ If I've only just begun ♪

2353
01:58:10,125 --> 01:58:13,583
♪ And the records spin ♪

2354
01:58:13,584 --> 01:58:16,500
♪ As the soundtrack
to my sins ♪

2355
01:58:16,501 --> 01:58:21,791
♪ Baby, I'm dying, dying,
dying, dying to live ♪

2356
01:58:21,792 --> 01:58:25,709
♪ So I dream into it ♪

2357
01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:28,917
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪

2358
01:58:28,918 --> 01:58:32,417
♪ Dream into it ♪

2359
01:58:33,167 --> 01:58:37,041
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪

2360
01:58:37,042 --> 01:58:38,625
♪ Feel it in my soul ♪

2361
01:58:38,626 --> 01:58:40,291
♪ I've been running so long ♪

2362
01:58:40,292 --> 01:58:43,625
♪ Regrets are flowing fast
An imaginary storm ♪

2363
01:58:43,626 --> 01:58:46,875
♪ Gripping at the branches
and I'm trying to hold on ♪

2364
01:58:46,876 --> 01:58:48,208
♪ So many memories made ♪

2365
01:58:48,209 --> 01:58:50,291
♪ Wish I was there
for them all ♪

2366
01:58:50,292 --> 01:58:51,583
♪ I'm still at the beginning ♪

2367
01:58:51,584 --> 01:58:53,333
♪ Though I feel like
it's the end ♪

2368
01:58:53,334 --> 01:58:56,833
♪ I'm begging for a chance
to see the sunrise again ♪

2369
01:58:56,834 --> 01:59:01,334
♪ 'Cause I'm dying, dying,
dying, dying to live ♪

2370
01:59:04,959 --> 01:59:07,791
♪ And the records turn ♪

2371
01:59:07,792 --> 01:59:11,458
♪ Like they did
when I was young ♪

2372
01:59:11,459 --> 01:59:14,666
♪ And I still don't know ♪

2373
01:59:14,667 --> 01:59:18,166
♪ If I've only just begun ♪

2374
01:59:18,167 --> 01:59:21,166
♪ And the records spin ♪

2375
01:59:21,167 --> 01:59:24,082
♪ As the soundtrack
to my sins ♪

2376
01:59:24,083 --> 01:59:29,625
♪ Baby, I'm dying, dying,
dying, dying to live ♪

2377
01:59:29,626 --> 01:59:33,292
♪ So I dream into it ♪

2378
01:59:38,417 --> 01:59:43,584
♪ First came luck,
then pressure ♪

2379
01:59:45,125 --> 01:59:50,792
♪ One-man rollercoaster ♪

2380
01:59:51,334 --> 01:59:57,334
♪ Around the world
like phantoms ♪

2381
01:59:57,834 --> 02:00:03,876
♪ I didn't care
what would happen ♪

2382
02:00:04,375 --> 02:00:06,041
♪ See, I was kicking
at the stars ♪

2383
02:00:06,042 --> 02:00:07,833
♪ With the wind at my wings ♪

2384
02:00:07,834 --> 02:00:12,501
♪ Kid to a king
All I wanted was everything ♪

2385
02:00:54,667 --> 02:00:59,083
♪ Born in a time
that wasn't made to last ♪

2386
02:00:59,626 --> 02:01:04,042
♪ In 1977, it went fast ♪

2387
02:01:04,417 --> 02:01:09,167
♪ Johnny told us to rise,
not to give a shit ♪

2388
02:01:09,834 --> 02:01:14,209
♪ And then "Kiss Me Deadly,"
and we had a hit ♪

2389
02:01:14,751 --> 02:01:19,125
♪ Last night in the Roxy,
we made love on the floor ♪

2390
02:01:19,626 --> 02:01:22,541
♪ We shot up in the bathroom ♪

2391
02:01:22,542 --> 02:01:25,292
♪ And said we were bored ♪

2392
02:01:26,584 --> 02:01:28,791
♪ If you are here tonight ♪

2393
02:01:28,792 --> 02:01:31,082
♪ And you hear these sounds ♪

2394
02:01:31,083 --> 02:01:36,625
♪ We are still kings and queens
of the underground ♪

2395
02:01:36,626 --> 02:01:39,291
♪ I don't mean to be profound ♪

2396
02:01:39,292 --> 02:01:41,541
♪ But if I'm still around ♪

2397
02:01:41,542 --> 02:01:46,875
♪ We are still kings and queens
of the underground ♪

2398
02:01:46,876 --> 02:01:48,918
♪ Oh, yeah ♪

2399
02:01:57,417 --> 02:02:02,250
♪ 1984, and "Rebel Yell"
had the floor ♪

2400
02:02:02,667 --> 02:02:07,124
♪ All we said was,
"more, more, more" ♪

2401
02:02:07,125 --> 02:02:12,458
♪ Well I touched you
with my "Eyes Without A Face" ♪

2402
02:02:12,459 --> 02:02:15,124
♪ I was "Hot in the City" ♪

2403
02:02:15,125 --> 02:02:17,751
♪ Yes, I thought I was ace ♪

2404
02:02:18,125 --> 02:02:19,999
♪ I didn't know then ♪

2405
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,833
♪ When I was
in your front room ♪

2406
02:02:22,834 --> 02:02:28,166
♪ On MTV, baby,
I was high as the moon ♪

2407
02:02:28,167 --> 02:02:30,541
♪ If you are here tonight ♪

2408
02:02:30,542 --> 02:02:32,875
♪ And you hear these sounds ♪

2409
02:02:32,876 --> 02:02:38,333
♪ We are still kings and queens
of the underground ♪

2410
02:02:38,334 --> 02:02:40,833
♪ I don't mean to be profound ♪

2411
02:02:40,834 --> 02:02:43,208
♪ But if I'm still around ♪

2412
02:02:43,209 --> 02:02:48,459
♪ We are still kings and queens
of the underground ♪

2413
02:02:49,125 --> 02:02:51,541
♪ Ooh ♪

2414
02:02:51,542 --> 02:02:54,291
♪ Golden years ♪

2415
02:02:54,292 --> 02:02:56,750
♪ Ooh ♪

2416
02:02:56,751 --> 02:02:59,124
♪ Golden years ♪

2417
02:02:59,125 --> 02:03:01,917
♪ Ooh ♪

2418
02:03:01,918 --> 02:03:04,416
♪ Golden years ♪

2419
02:03:04,417 --> 02:03:07,166
♪ Ooh ♪

2420
02:03:07,167 --> 02:03:09,667
♪ Golden years ♪

2421
02:03:33,918 --> 02:03:38,374
♪ Sold all my vinyl,
it went up my arm ♪

2422
02:03:38,375 --> 02:03:43,708
♪ And I thought rock and roll
couldn't do me no harm ♪

2423
02:03:43,709 --> 02:03:46,082
♪ Now I'm rolling a joint ♪

2424
02:03:46,083 --> 02:03:48,625
♪ And I'm dressed in black ♪

2425
02:03:48,626 --> 02:03:53,750
♪ If we lose the music, baby,
we can never go back ♪

2426
02:03:53,751 --> 02:03:56,458
♪ But if you are here tonight ♪

2427
02:03:56,459 --> 02:03:58,958
♪ And you hear these sounds ♪

2428
02:03:58,959 --> 02:04:04,249
♪ We are still kings and queens
of the underground ♪

2429
02:04:04,250 --> 02:04:07,082
♪ I don't mean to be profound ♪

2430
02:04:07,083 --> 02:04:09,333
♪ But if I'm still around ♪

2431
02:04:09,334 --> 02:04:14,458
♪ We are still kings and queens
of the underground ♪

2432
02:04:14,459 --> 02:04:19,416
♪ Jonesy said,
"Bill, don't be profound" ♪

2433
02:04:19,417 --> 02:04:24,666
♪ "If you are still a king
of the underground" ♪

2434
02:04:24,667 --> 02:04:27,500
♪ If you hear my voice ♪

2435
02:04:27,501 --> 02:04:30,333
♪ And you dig
these rebel sounds ♪

2436
02:04:30,334 --> 02:04:35,583
♪ Still kings and queens
of the underground ♪

2437
02:04:35,584 --> 02:04:40,249
♪ Here tonight,
I wanna dig these sounds ♪

2438
02:04:40,250 --> 02:04:45,333
♪ I'm still a king
of the underground ♪

2439
02:04:45,334 --> 02:04:48,125
♪ If you hear my voice ♪

2440
02:04:48,584 --> 02:04:50,833
♪ Dig these rebel sounds ♪

2441
02:04:50,834 --> 02:04:53,249
♪ Still kings and queens ♪

2442
02:04:53,250 --> 02:05:00,250
♪ Of the underground ♪

2443
02:05:09,459 --> 02:05:11,833
♪ Ooh ♪

2444
02:05:11,834 --> 02:05:14,417
♪ Golden years... ♪